Does Love Conquer All?

[McBell]

LOL. Maybe someday I'll be able to define love. As for now, I only know it when I see it, but I have few words for it.

Honestly, I am not trying to be difficult.
But could you define 'all' also....

Cause there are most definately instances when love turned out to be an epic fail.
Perhaps the phrase should be revamped to something like:

Love can potentially conquer that which is conquerable.
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[McBell]

Can love overcome an age gap of, say, 30 years?

Can love overcome ingrained racial or ethic prejudice on the part of both partners?

Can love overcome a difference in deeply held religious beliefs between the partners?

Can love overcome a difference in deeply held political beliefs between the partners?

Can love overcome mutual hatred?

Can love overcome fear?

Yes.

If you said that love can overcome any of these things, can you think of anything besides love that works just as well or better to overcome any of these differences? If so, what is it?

Yes.
Money.
Loyalty.

Is there anything love cannot, under any circumstances, overcome? If so, what is it?

Yes.
The unwillingness to communicate effectively with your 'loved' one.

 

[Sunstone]

Honestly, I am not trying to be difficult.

I know.

But could you define 'all' also....

All psychological obstacles.

Cause there are most definately instances when love turned out to be an epic fail.
Perhaps the phrase should be revamped to something like:

Love can potentially conquer that which is conquerable.
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I think I can see your point, but to redefine things so that the phrase was revamped in that manner would change the meaning I intended. I was interested, in writing the OP, to explore the sorts of psychological obstacles, if any, that love overcomes, and the sorts of psychological obstacles, if any, that love does not overcome. I have a hunch that love is the closest thing we have to an universal solvent of psychological obstacles, and I want to check my hunch against other people's understandings of love.

 

[McBell]

I think I can see your point, but to redefine things so that the phrase was revamped in that manner would change the meaning I intended. I was interested, in writing the OP, to explore the sorts of psychological obstacles, if any, that love overcomes, and the sorts of psychological obstacles, if any, that love does not overcome. I have a hunch that love is the closest thing we have to an universal solvent of psychological obstacles, and I want to check my hunch against other people's understandings of love.

Oh...
Um...
My bad...





My apologies, I completely misunderstood the intended purpose of the thread.

 

[Sunstone]

My apologies, I completely misunderstood the intended purpose of the thread.

No need to apologize. I didn't really make my intentions clear. I probably should do that, but I've not yet gotten in the habit of doing it when writing an OP. And also, doing so might restrict the range of ideas tossed out.

 

[jonman122]

It can be harder depending on your attachment to someone, but I know without a doubt that I'd face my darkest fears for Alicia, my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance. I'd take a bullet for her without question if it would save her, I'd face my deepest darkest fears if it kept her safe from harm.

this.

The love i was talking about is this love, the love you feel for someone that you're going to marry or that you feel so strongly for that no matter what was headed your way, a thousand spiders or a bear or a train, you would protect them or stand by them through the entire thing.

 

[Meow Mix]

this.

The love i was talking about is this love, the love you feel for someone that you're going to marry or that you feel so strongly for that no matter what was headed your way, a thousand spiders or a bear or a train, you would protect them or stand by them through the entire thing.

^^^^^ yep. That. What he said.

There's no defeating that kind of love, nothing can beat it -- nothing. You can physically separate people but you can't defeat their feelings for one another.

 

[Bismillah]

It can be harder depending on your attachment to someone, but I know without a doubt that I'd face my darkest fears for Alicia, my girlfriend and soon-to-be fiance. I'd take a bullet for her without question if it would save her, I'd face my deepest darkest fears if it kept her safe from harm.

Yes, but isn't it easier to make bold statements objectively, rather than when confronted with the situation. In the face of pain there are no heroes.

 

[jonman122]

Yes, but isn't it easier to make bold statements objectively, rather than when confronted with the situation. In the face of pain there are no heroes.

nah, i'm pretty sure i'd do anything to make sure the person i loved was safe, even if it meant my death or going through the things i fear the most.

 

[Meow Mix]

Yes, but isn't it easier to make bold statements objectively, rather than when confronted with the situation. In the face of pain there are no heroes.

It's also easy to doubt it, I don't deny that, since there are probably people on this earth who say they'd do this or that for someone.

I would do almost anything for Alicia if it came down to it... I've done it in my dreams, and as far as I'm concerned if you're dreaming and you don't "know" it then you don't realize that you can't really die, so to me that counts somewhat as putting myself "out there" even against things I greatly fear (such as water I can't see through) to "save" her.

I'd do it in real life in an instant.

 

[Sunstone]

Yes, but isn't it easier to make bold statements objectively, rather than when confronted with the situation. In the face of pain there are no heroes.

Fire fighters often risk their lives and/or risk serious debilitating injury to rescue people, most of whom they've never met before.

 

[Bismillah]

I'm talking about physical pain i.e torture. A firefighter faces a risk but not a guarantee of harm, so I don't think the two are compatible.

 

[Misty]

I certainly don't think love can conquer all, or very much at all.

 

[Azakel]

I certainly don't think love can conquer all, or very much at all.

I disagree. From what I've been going though I'd say Love conquers quite a bit.
And I'm coming from a dark place where I would have agreed with you.

 

[Misty]

I disagree. From what I've been going though I'd say Love conquers quite a bit.
And I'm coming from a dark place where I would have agreed with you.

My husband is now disabled after a brain haemorrhage in 2006. I am his carer rather than his wife a situation we both dislike, even resent. But we are stuck with each other for the forseeable future, not a particularly pleasing thought for either of us! The love we had for each other formerly certainly hasn't made this situation any better!

 

[Azakel]

My husband is now disabled after a brain haemorrhage in 2006. I am his carer rather than his wife a situation we both dislike, even resent. But we are stuck with each other for the forseeable future, not a particularly pleasing thought for either of us! The love we had for each other formerly certainly hasn't made this situation any better!

I'm sorry to here that. I guess we must then just agree to disagree base on experiences.

 

[Misty]

I'm sorry to here that. I guess we must then just agree to disagree base on experiences.

Yes, I am glad it worked out for you.

 

[McBell]

In the face of pain there are no heroes.

This is just not true.
History has shown time and again that in the face of pain that hero's emerge.
And most often from those you least expect it.

 

[Penumbra]

This is just not true.
History has shown time and again that in the face of pain that hero's emerge.
And most often from those you least expect it.

Self Immolation by a Buddhist monk out of protest:

Pain? What pain?

 

[dust1n]

If love could conquer all (whatever the hell that means), it appears to be taking its sweet *** time.


Love is conditional. So no... it can't conquer when conditions caused love in the first place.