Does man fail to realize his supernatural nature?

[Orias]

A little vague there....death is natural.
How about....knowing in advance what will happen tomorrow....
and to know it.... as if you had been witness to it.

How is it vague? You cannot be death. We know it exists, we know it is natural, we know it happens. People generally know when they are going to die. But being death is beyond perception .

 

[Orias]

How about "being"? That's a good one.

Not being sarcastic here, but the concept of "being" is linguistic, which is to say that with language we bring it (and everything that is) to life.

Again...the words are just voices of our perceptions. When we say 'being' we mean literally even if we couldn't talk, we would still be.

 

[Willamena]

Nope!...rocks are...and there is nothing 'super' about them.

How about....slipping into a position to avoid injury....before you can perceive the danger.
(I've done this.)

Rocks are, and slipping into position to avoid injury is. They are both brought to life, given a form and acknolwedgement, with conscious recognition.

 

[Willamena]

Again...the words are just voices of our perceptions. When we say 'being' we mean literally even if we couldn't talk, we would still be.

"Voices of our perceptions" is language. When we say 'being' we have voiced a perception, even if we didn't talk (aloud).

We never stop talking to ourselves.

 

[Willamena]

Am I misunderstanding?

 

[Thief]

Rocks are, and slipping into position to avoid injury is. They are both brought to life, given a form and acknolwedgement, with conscious recognition.

yeah but....I know the difference between my everyday five senses....
and that occasion wherein response preceded the knowing.
(The driver had time to notice my behavior and wanted to know if I felt alright.)

 

[Willamena]

yeah but....I know the difference between my everyday five senses....
and that occasion wherein response preceded the knowing.
(The driver had time to notice my behavior and wanted to know if I felt alright.)

It's special, for sure. Do you consider it supernatural?

 

[Thief]

It's special, for sure. Do you consider it supernatural?

If I had seen it with my eyes, or heard it coming...that would be natural.

But I had time to lock my car door.
I looked for the seat belt. (Old style belts lacked the plastic housing.
It had slipped between the cushions to the floorboard behind me.)

I turned my back to the door and slid toward the edge of the seat.

There was no obvious cause for any of this.
No apparent risk.

If I had been sitting upright, I would have been thrown through the windshield.
My low position put my face into the glove compartment.

I consider this beyond nature.

If this were everyday perception, and we all shared it, then we would die less often...live longer....fewer surprises.

 

[Orias]

"Voices of our perceptions" is language. When we say 'being' we have voiced a perception, even if we didn't talk (aloud).

We never stop talking to ourselves.

Exactly, conscious awarness and conscience ability .

 

[Orias]

Yeah well...here we are in a discussion under...theological concepts.
What are you doing here?

That you lack faith makes you qualified to say 'nay'?

Anyone here is qualified to say 'nay'.

 

[Hawkins]

Supernatural is just the natural which cannot be reached by humans with their science and technology.

 

[Orias]

Supernatural is just the natural which cannot be reached by humans with their science and technology.

Or supernatural was created by humans in a primitive attempt to describe and lable the great abstinence.

That is why science cannot reach it, simply because it is not scientifical, it is creational.

The mind inside is true divine.

 

[Hawkins]

Or supernatural was created by humans in a primitive attempt to describe and lable the great abstinence.

That is why science cannot reach it, simply because it is not scientifical, it is creational.

The mind inside is true divine.

That requires faith to believe in, anyway. We differ in faith, that's it. :yes:

 

[Orias]

That requires faith to believe in, anyway. We differ in faith, that's it. :yes:

You mistake reason for faith. I follow no faith, I just am.

 

[Hawkins]

You mistake reason for faith. I follow no faith, I just am.

Your reasoning has nothing to do with what truth is, unless your faith believe so.

For example, your this statement hardly be proven, whether you consider that reasoning or not,

"supernatural was created by humans"

You thus need faith to believe this actually works out.

Moreover, this is my reasoning about your faith, and I believe with my faith that I am right about your faith.

 

[Tiapan]

I think it is all natural nature, amazing stuff no need for fictitious stuff as well.

Cheers

 

[Orias]

Your reasoning has nothing to do with what truth is, unless your faith believe so.

I never claimed a truth, I deny all 'truth'.

For example, your this statement hardly be proven, whether you consider that reasoning or not,

"supernatural was created by humans"

You thus need faith to believe this actually works out.

Uhm...not really...

Moreover, this is my reasoning about your faith, and I believe with my faith that I am right about your faith.

Maybe you are short on listening. I DON'T FOLLOW A FAITH. You know nothing of what I follow. For where would all of these perceptions and labels be if man had not made it so?

The term supernatural exists because man has tried countless times to define and solve the 'enigma' of existence. If existence was a puzzle we would have peices, but we don't, for we just are.

 

[Thief]

Maybe you are short on listening. I DON'T FOLLOW A FAITH. You know nothing of what I follow. For where would all of these perceptions and labels be if man had not made it so?

The term supernatural exists because man has tried countless times to define and solve the 'enigma' of existence. If existence was a puzzle we would have peices, but we don't, for we just are.

Are you sure you're not a Buddhist?

 

[Hawkins]

Maybe you are short on listening. I DON'T FOLLOW A FAITH. You know nothing of what I follow. For where would all of these perceptions and labels be if man had not made it so?

Or rather do you mean that you don't follow religion?!

You can reason in whatever way which make sense to you, but to say that any of your reasoning reflects the truth religiously or historically, you need faith. Or else you sound as if you are right, just say it plainly that it's your reasoning but not necessarily the truth. It is because there is no any concrete evidence and support your claiming that "...was created by humans..." unless you mean to say you believe so by your faith. Of course, I can't argue with you if you mean to say that you've acquired evidence about it.

 

[Orias]

Or rather do you mean that you don't follow religion?!

You can reason in whatever way which make sense to you, but to say that any of your reasoning reflects the truth religiously or historically, you need faith. Or else you sound as if you are right, just say it plainly that it's your reasoning but not necessarily the truth. It is because there is no any concrete evidence and support your claiming that "...was created by humans..." unless you mean to say you believe so by your faith. Of course, I can't argue with you if you mean to say that you've acquired evidence about it.

Well it's obvious man has creative imaginative conscience ability. Has any religion actually claimed any 'divine' items?

You keep putting words in my mouth, it is not faith, rather knowledge, that all men are capable of writing their fantasies down.

Yet there is also another factor at play here. Man and his natural instincts, are the same as any animal in this world.

Man does seek to dominate each other and decieve each other. What do you think government is? To protect what it owns.

It is just that our perceptions vary...I could understand what you mean.