People wish they could be happy without money. I wish the same thing, but its simply not true. Money is what holds the structure of organization.
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Does money make people happy
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People wish they could be happy without money. I wish the same thing, but its simply not true. Money is what holds the structure of organization.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Money is a symbol of power, and everyone wants power. Even people that give up money and civilization are seeking power. To think that someone would be happy without money simply means they believe they have found a better power to pursue.
According to the study my happiness is the result of my finances. So hard from me to argue otherwise.
But then to make everyone happy you only need to provide a baseline salary for everyone? I don't think that will work.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Here is the main difference; the poor are powerless, the rich are not. When the poor demand tax loopholes be closed, they don't get them. When the rich want to monopolize an industry, run small business out, and demand their employees take up more responsibilities and hours for less pay, they have the political power to make it a legal possibility.
He said many, many times that it is very hard for a rich person to get into Heaven, and three Gospels record the analogy of getting a camel through the eye of a needle.
Money may organize and structure society at large, but many people have little and are still happy. Some people are perfectly content with having enough for the bills, save some on the side, and not have to worry about where the money is coming from. They don't want all the extra money for the extra stuff they don't want.
roger1440
I do stuff
How is happiness measured? I dont think just asking a person if they are happy or not is a sufficient means to determine if the person is happy. A more accurate means of measurement would be the quality of life they live. Does more money bring less suicide, homicide, does it lower the divorce rate, does it lower the amount of drug addicts, alcoholics, etc.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Yes, money brings less suicide, homicide, divorce, drug addiction and alcoholism. All ofthise things are more common to impoverished communities.
It's what we're supposed to strive for. Jesus told us to be perfect as our Father in Heaven (Matthew 5:48). We're commanded to strive for holiness, which is spiritual perfection.
Popes don't own anything. The money isn't theirs.
Rich in that if you have tons more money than you need to live and don't use that unnecessary money to help those less off, you're sinning.
You don't understand what communism is. It has nothing to do with some government. In fact, one of the goals of communism is to get rid of the State. Communism is a stateless society. The early Christians were communists in that they lived in small-ish groups where there was no private property and they shared everything. If you had wealth, you gave it over to the Church and they distributed it amongst the faithful, as needed. Communism is really commune-ism.
As above, communism has nothing to do with the government. You don't understand communism.
Yes.
Renouncing wealth, denouncing the rich and the authorities of the day and throwing the money changers out of the Temple are all very political acts. This notion that Jesus was "just" a philosopher of some sort is a uniquely modern American view because it gives them an out, in their minds, so that can continue to disregard Jesus' social command and still feel as though they are "good" Christians.
well...actually drug and alcohol are bought by rich people. Because they are very expensive. Poor people can't afford them
Poor people just get on cheap drugs like crack, meth and some other monstrosities someone cooked up in their basement which are more dangerous and will kill you faster. Rich people get the luxury drugs like cocaine, heroin, abuse prescription drugs (they can even get their very own crooked doctor who will knowingly give them drugs that they know they're abusing if you pay them enough - this is common in the entertainment industry), etc.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
As Saint said, rich people get high quality drugs with few side effects - poor people have ice, crack, glue, gas etc.
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glue...gas...o my God, didn't know that
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Don't worry, there are so many things you don't know.
A rich person could take heroin for decades with barely any risk or medical consequences, poor aboriginal kids in outback Australia sniff petrol and die before they get to 21.
Bath salts, too. There's also some very nasty new drugs making their way through Eastern Europe and South America that are popular among the poor. The Russian drug that's popular is called krokodil and among its fun side effects is that it literally eats away at your skin, so much so that it exposes bone. There's many gory pictures of not so happy krokodil users with that affliction. The South American drug is called oxi, which is more powerful and cheaper than crack and causes hellish hallucinations. It can kill you within a year of regular use.
World’s Deadliest Drug: Photos and Video Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse - LightBox
Oxi: Twice as powerful as crack cocaine at just a fraction of the price | Society | The Guardian
Sometimes I forget that we live in a Hell on Earth
This world can certainly seem like hell much of the time, yes. But it's not the rich who have to go through its hellish aspects.
nash8
Da man, when I walk thru!
How silly of me. I forgot just last week I saw JP Morgan illegally manipulating the market price of silver, gold, energy, and metal markets.
Ted Butler: JP Morgan’s Perfect Silver Manipulation Cannot Last Forever | Gold Silver Worlds
JPMorgan Accused of Energy-Market Manipulation by U.S. Agency - Bloomberg
In new warehousing suit, Goldman, JPMorgan sued over zinc | Reuters
Need I mention the liber scandal in London?
Libor scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Or how bout just a general overview of corporate corruption? Makes it a lot easier than me finding a bunch of articles of specific cases, refuting an ignorant post that we both know is absolutely ridiculous.
Whatever is "beyond the light" must be plenty blinding.
:yes: But I will say we as a population need to do a better job of holding our representatives viable for their actions. Lobbying needs to be severely capped. The lack of the population holding government representatives responsible for their votes mixed with the ability for large corporations to "buy legislation" does not a good country make.
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People do, but it's not always that simple. For example, even if you were to yell at your elected officials they would have no power to audit the federal reserve, because they don't have the power to do so even though people/representatives have called for more transparency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QK4bblyfsc
Same thing goes for the DoD.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/
These aren't really things we as the voting population can affect, but I do agree with you that we need to hold government elected officials more liable for their actions.
The thing with holding officials responsible is that it's damn near impossible to find out how your representative voted, and what all the bill actually contained. When you have a 600 page bill that states it will cut taxes, of course you'd be fore it, except when there's a 1 paragraph clause that says 500 newborn infants must be sacrificed to get the tax cut. Or the ole 3 paragraph gun control legislation in the 600 page agricultural bill.
Amongst other things that an individual person has no control over.
Mmmh, I tend to go more of the longs of happiness is a neurochemical phenomenon, but I can see the power thing as well. Buddhist monks are a perfect sample of both. They have found the "power" of their mind as well as the power of altruistic love, and they are rewarded by a measurable neurochemically induced happiness.
Understanding LOVE
The most accurate measure of "happiness" would be the measurement of specific neurochemicals present in specific areas of the brain as well as how sustainable these levels are.
Heck, no. Money is just the middle-man for food, shelter, and things. (Mostly things, for me; I have a spending problem.)
I actually understand that money-related stress can actually increase as more money is had, since now there's more expenses to deal with.
I actually understand that money-related stress can actually increase as more money is had, since now there's more expenses to deal with.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
More proof that just what we need is less regulations, less enforcement, and more of the abusive and corrupt executives and businesses being allowed to do whatever they please.
roger1440
I do stuff
What is your source of information?