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Does our Democratic Republic really work? (USA)

Father

Devourer of Truth
I don't agree, ask your Jewish friends what they would think of you if you went up to them and did the Nazi salute.
It is basically hate speech.
That.is liberalism. Liberty. Freedom. so long as what you do does not hurt others (actually hurt) then I see no problem in it. you want to chain smoke coke. sure. you want to walk around in full SS uniform? whatever floats your boat.
 

Father

Devourer of Truth
I don't agree, ask your Jewish friends what they would think of you if you went up to them and did the Nazi salute.
It is basically hate speech.

the people who wish to silence them are actually doing more harm than good.

if people are not allowed to think something there is a Good chance more will. because why silence something unless it has a point? the way of making sure Nazi's or whatever the like never come back again is to take apart their ideals and position. it's letting them speak and then destroying them in proper debate. not arresting every dude doing a salute. hiding the symbol and fearing the ideals because it may offend someone only gives them power. furthermore is Fascistic in and of itself.

which is why I see things like "Hate speech" stupid. unless its harassment. but simply mentioning a difference in opinion like such is hardly harmful. and if it is truly wrong. then light is the best disinfectant. you only wish to silence opposing opinion if it is correct and destroy's your own narrative. and you are not saying their ideals are correct are you?
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
the people who wish to silence them are actually doing more harm than good.

if people are not allowed to think something there is a Good chance more will. because why silence something unless it has a point? the way of making sure Nazi's or whatever the like never come back again is to take apart their ideals and position. it's letting them speak and then destroying them in proper debate. not arresting every dude doing a salute. hiding the symbol and fearing the ideals because it may offend someone only gives them power. furthermore is Fascistic in and of itself.

which is why I see things like "Hate speech" stupid. unless its harassment. but simply mentioning a difference in opinion like such is hardly harmful. and if it is truly wrong. then light is the best disinfectant. you only wish to silence opposing opinion if it is correct and destroy's your own narrative. and you are not saying their ideals are correct are you?
OK, I give up. But I wouldn't want to live in a world that you seem to condone.
The holocaust and its effects are still very real in Europe, we are not ready to move on as quickly as the US obviously has.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
We have what is referred to as a "presidential system" here in the States that includes many checks & balances, but I personally prefer the "parliamentary system". Both have advantages and disadvantages that we could discuss, but I gotta go.:glomp2:
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Canada is ruled by Feminazi's...
This Canadian conservative is laughing at this idea, I'll tell you that. Comments like this simply undermine your position as they are blatantly ludicrous.

actually, I would have to disagree. many in the Commonwealth whom I have spoken to are envious of our constitution. specifically the solid outlining of the first amendment. speach is far stricter in UK and Canada its why the leftists have taken such a foothold.
Strangely, in all my 61 years, living in Canada, I've never heard this sentiment expressed. I think many of us acknowledge the genius behind the American constitution and sought to emulate that genius in our own Charter of Rights and Freedoms, but no, we are not envious.

hate crime my friend. a bunch of people in those European countries can be arrested for "hate crime" for speaking their opinion
Hate speech laws in Canada include provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, provisions in the Human Rights Act and in other federal legislation, and statutory provisions in each of Canada's ten provinces and three territories. The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda." what exactly that is, is open to interpretation.
Um, no, it's not, generally speaking. Certainly no more so than any legal opinions. The law is actually quite specific. A citizen really has to go off the deep end before the police will come for a chat. That said, the Canadian Hate Speech laws do not impact my speech in any discernible way simply because I would never think of saying anything that would go against those hate speech laws. Such hatred, for any specific group, would never make it past my lips. Not out of fear of repercussions, but because it doesn't exist in my mind to begin with. Therefore the law has no effect on me and seems perfectly reasonable and sensible in a truly civilized society.

In essence, you are saying that you are okay with a person's right to call for violence against any identifiable group. If that is so I find that a deeply troubling position and more than a little contemptible.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Does the Government of the United States actually work? how would you improve it or fix it?
I would suggest actually representing actual people rather than special interest and corporations that are made into "people". Let's face it, it's not a Democratic /Representative Republic anymore.
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Does the Government of the United States actually work?

somewhat. But far from perfect.

how would you improve it or fix it?

Do away with the income tax and institute a national sales tax, that way everyone is contributing. Do away with property tax and let people actually own property. Take a portion of oil and gas proceeds to pay for health care for our citizens. Get our military out of countries we have no business in. Strict term limits on politicians. Past this , I don't know, but I think it would be a good start.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
. promoting feminism which is not egalitarian no matter what they state their actions speak otherwise. the promotion of many Social Justice ideals. they had a BLM parade even though their cops shoot no one and blacks barely a fraction of their population compared to here. even less than here. along with other things/
What are some of your favorite media outlets?
 

Nous

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Hate speech laws in Canada include provisions in the Criminal Code of Canada, provisions in the Human Rights Act and in other federal legislation, and statutory provisions in each of Canada's ten provinces and three territories. The Criminal Code prohibits "hate propaganda." what exactly that is, is open to interpretation
Actually the courts have interpreted what constitutes illegal hate propaganda. The statute itself distinguishes what is and what isn't hate propaganda by way of the defenses:

Wilful promotion of hatred

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal, matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.​

Criminal Code

but since a man in England got arrested for teaching his dog to Sieg Heil
Cite the case.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Does the Government of the United States actually work? how would you improve it or fix it?

Well, of course it "works," since it's obviously functional and the country seems to be running.

I think the main problem with the US government is that it seems to be at cross purposes, in that there are serious disputes over what our government's role in society should be. Historically, the federal government's role has changed and developed extensively from what it started out as.

I could fix the government. Things could be reorganized a bit, to eliminate redundancies, inefficiency, a convoluted bureaucracy. I would probably introduce more automation. As AI gets more and more sophisticated, it will be able handle more complex roles, in which case more bureaucratic positions could be eliminated and replaced by machine. An efficient, organized, cost-effective, computerized government.

Of course, the higher level roles (President, VP, Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court) would still be held by humans.

This could be a win-win for both conservatives and liberals.
 
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