Does Santa exist?

[1AOA1]

Give us your evidence that Santa is made up? Why do you believe that Santa is made up?

Wouldn't the evidence detailed in papers for Santa contrary plus unfulfilled, exploration of the North Pole and the belief that the authors were promoting Santa as entertainment mean that it was for entertainment? (sorry had to delete url)

 

[fantome profane]

Wouldn't the evidence detailed in papers for Santa contrary plus unfulfilled, exploration of the North Pole and the belief that the authors were promoting Santa as entertainment mean that it was for entertainment? (sorry had to delete url)

This is just a suggestion, but try reading what you type out loud to yourself before you hit submit. It may help.

Wouldn't the evidence detailed in papers for Santa contrary plus unfulfilled,

This makes no sense, I’m sorry but have no idea what you are trying to say with this first part.

exploration of the North Pole

Or it could simply mean that the part about Santa living at the north pole is not true.

and the belief that the authors were promoting Santa as entertainment mean that it was for entertainment? (sorry had to delete url)

So if an entity is used in fiction for entertainment then that entity is fictional, is that what you are saying?

And while you are thinking about that here is a fun trivial questions. What do Morgan Freeman, Alanis Morissette and George Burns have in common?

 

[1AOA1]

This is just a suggestion, but try reading what you type out loud to yourself before you hit submit. It may help.

This makes no sense, I’m sorry but have no idea what you are trying to say with this first part.

Or it could simply mean that the part about Santa living at the north pole is not true.

So if an entity is used in fiction for entertainment then that entity is fictional, is that what you are saying?

And while you are thinking about that here is a fun trivial questions. What do Morgan Freeman, Alanis Morissette and George Burns have in common?

If Santa is not at the North Pole where it is said he would be, then his text for finding him is unfulfilled right?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If Santa is not at the North Pole where it is said he would be, then his text for finding him is unfulfilled right?

What text?

There are different traditions about where Santa lives. In the main North American version, he lives at the North Pole, In other versions, he lives in Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc.

BTW - if finding no trace of Santa's Workshop at the North Pole is evidence that Santa doesn't exist, what do you make of the fact that we've explored space without finding Heaven and the Earth's subsurface without finding Hell?

 

[fantome profane]

If Santa is not at the North Pole where it is said he would be, then his text for finding him is unfulfilled right?

What text are you talking about? Is this like the Biblical literalists who think that if one idea from the bible is false then the whole thing must be false? There is no holy Santa Claus scripture that must be taken literally.

 

[1AOA1]

What text?

There are different traditions about where Santa lives. In the main North American version, he lives at the North Pole, In other versions, he lives in Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, etc.

BTW - if finding no trace of Santa's Workshop at the North Pole is evidence that Santa doesn't exist, what do you make of the fact that we've explored space without finding Heaven and the Earth's subsurface without finding Hell?

Did you expect to find it in those places?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Did you expect to find it in those places?

Hell, probably not. As for Heaven, I think a good argument can be made from the Biblical text that Heaven is in the sky, beyond the Firmament... as good an argument can be made that Santa's Workshop is at the North Pole, anyhow.

 

[1AOA1]

What text are you talking about? Is this like the Biblical literalists who think that if one idea from the bible is false then the whole thing must be false? There is no holy Santa Claus scripture that must be taken literally.

So there isnt official text on him which can be followed to find him?

 

[1AOA1]

Hell, probably not. As for Heaven, I think a good argument can be made from the Biblical text that Heaven is in the sky, beyond the Firmament... as good an argument can be made that Santa's Workshop is at the North Pole, anyhow.

Can heaven be finite and material?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So there isnt official text on him which can be followed to find him?

The only "text" I know for Santa Claus is the poem The Night Before Christmas, but I don't know what criteria could be used to declare it "official", and it doesn't say anything about where Santa Claus lives anyhow.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Can heaven be finite and material?

Can Santa's workshop?

 

[1AOA1]

Can Santa's workshop?

Of course. Isn't it depicted to be literally composed of purely material substances on earth?

 

[outhouse]

Ok but why are they both made up because Santa is?

god was made up long before santa.

fact is there both made up.

religion belief goes in phases due to your geologic location and time. Yes???


Its called the "where were you born game is what you believe" everybody plays

 

[1AOA1]

god was made up long before santa.

fact is there both made up.

religion belief goes in phases due to your geologic location and time. Yes???

Its called the "where were you born game is what you believe" everybody plays

Ok, but will you answer?

 

[fantome profane]

So there isnt official text on him which can be followed to find him?

Does there need to be? What if there are different texts and different traditions that conflict with each other in some details? In your opinion would that indicate the non-existence of Santa?

 

[Breathe]

religion belief goes in phases due to your geologic location and time. Yes???

Not always. Society and parents are a major part for about 95% or so though.


Why do I hold the religious views I currently do, when they are not shared by my family, nor is it 'the norm' where I am from?

 

[1AOA1]

Does there need to be? What if there are different texts and different traditions that conflict with each other in some details? In your opinion would that indicate the non-existence of Santa?

Wouldn't finding him at the location shed light on the issue? From that point trace back the conflicts with his location and his attributes as an aid?

 

[Nepenthe]

I would like to start a debate based on the evidence for and against the existence of Santa Claus.

What is the evidence for Santa?

As the recent paper Carolome: Functional Imprints of Cultural Memes in the Global Genome attests attests GenBank currently contains about 3x 1011 base pairs on file and PNAS NorthPole went through the database to find evidence of Christmas carols in the sequence data. 21 genomes had Deck the Halls; 17 in I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus; and Ave Maria in 12. This is irrefutable evidence of Santa Claus instigated intelligent design in DNA. The scientific establishment has long denied the glaringly apparent evidence for the intelligent design of DNA, a design constructed in an isolated slave labor camp located in the North Pole. As usual, P.Z. offers his invaluable opinions on the study.

One can only imagine the recent discovery of fossil remains attributed to Elph Legolasius will spur further investigation.

 

[fantome profane]

Wouldn't finding him at the location shed light on the issue? From that point trace back the conflicts with his location and his attributes as an aid?

Have you ever played the rhetoric game? Do you always answer a question with a question? Do I?

 

[Dan4reason]

I would like to start a debate based on the evidence for and against the existence of Santa Claus.

What is the evidence for Santa?

What is the evidence against Santa?

Why do you believe/not believe in Santa?

I believe in Santa because I got presents from him. It is a matter of faith really. I get blessings for my belief so I know he is real.