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Does Satan exist?

Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
Q. Does Satan exist?

A. As far as known, only in the imaginations of some believers.
 
ellenjanuary

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Do lawyers exist; and is there a Lawyer? Satan is merely an appellation for adversary; and when I think of lawyers, and when I think of lawyers i tend to think of Cicero... so there you go. You say devil; I say, counselor.
 
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Snowcat

Member
The Hebrew word word for Satan simply means adversary. Look it up in the Old Testament, it says God was an adversary unto David...the Hebrew word is the same for Satan.

The Vikings are Satan to the Packers....etc...
 
Christian Gnosis

Christian Gnosis

Active Member
Mtnbiker said:
I'm sure this has been discussed here, but since I am new I would be interested in others ideas on this topic.
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Yes, and let's see WHO the New Testament says Satan IS:

John 8:41 You are doing the things your own father does." "We are not illegitimate children," they protested. "The only Father we have is God himself." 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.<<<<<<------The Jewish god
 
Breathe

Breathe

Hostis humani generis
In my opinion, the only "Satan" there is, is the "Satan" of our minds: ignorance, fear, hatred, selfishness. In that way, he is very real.

In the sense of the Satan of Christianity or Angra Mainyu of Zurvanite Zoroastrianism? No, I don't believe such an entity exists.


Oh, and welcome to RF :)
 
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reve

Member
I understood that a satan was one of 200 fallen angels, (not children of men) stranded here by the ruling of the Lord of Spirits (Tell them they have no peace) written before 100BC about in the ancient Enoch storyt). It says they came to Mount Hermon (I note the many dolmens there, Neolithic/Paleo? temple etc) in the days of Jared (circa 3200BC) which might explain the simultaneous arising of the Egyptian and Sumerian even Chinese and Indus civilisations. This invasion was represented by the war god Horus, horse drawn chariots perhaps Hurrians. Horus and his mother Isis (possibly Venus) are later seen in baby Jesus/Mary iconography. So perhaps the descendants of this lot (Genesis says they started to take women and have children), the heroes of myth, need to understand they are still technically 'satan' and bound here, denied wings however hard they aspire to them. The good news is that the Son of Man hangs in with the Lord of Spirits, intercedes and puts it all right but the bad news is that ever since the book came out men have claimed to be this binadham (son of man/Adam) and started sects which took on everyone else with everything from assassins to suicide bombers. Lucifer if that is who we mean by Satan is identified with the morning star, Venus, Eve (to Adam). She also 'fell'.
Hi all :cold:
 
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Nothing

NONE
Satan is the figment of a fearful imagination. He is the figurative manifestation of imagined fears perpetuated over thousands of years now. Literally, Satan is a myth that never has and never will exist. However, by believing in his existence, we manifest the fear he represents into physical reality. Satan is nothing more then a very dangerous symbol of our ego. Since Satan does not truly exist, what he represents does not truly exist either. Collectively, at least in Christianity, Satan was made to represent the sum of all fears, which has had mixed results. Those who successfully reject Satan and all he stands for do in fact find peace. By doing so, does one not accept that Satan has no power, and therefore, cannot be real?
Paradoxically, the making of Satan has led many to believe that he is the source of fear, and as a result, many have placed the source of fear outside themselves, blinding themselves to the TRUE source of fear. Fear is man made as is fear's representative we call Satan. There is a quote that I'm sure we are all familiar with that I believe comes from the Bible. Perhaps someone more scholarly could source it more accurately, but it goes like this: "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself".
Without changing words, let's alter perception:
There is nothing TO fear, BUT fear itself.
There is NOTHING to fear, but fear ITSELF.
There is nothing to FEAR, but FEAR itself.

Do this enough and it may occur to you, that fear is nothing, nor is Satan.
 
C

Crown College ofthe Bible

Member
The Bible says in Matthew 25:41, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

The Bible also says in Revelation 20:10, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

I do believe that the devil is real. The Bible clearly indicates it.


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T-Dawg

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Crown College ofthe Bible said:
The Bible says in Matthew 25:41, "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."

The Bible also says in Revelation 20:10, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

I do believe that the devil is real. The Bible clearly indicates it.


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Whether or not the Bible indicates that Satan exists is entirely irrelevant to whether or not Satan actually exists. You might take everything the Bible says as unquestionable truth, but I have a feeling that the OP doesn't, and nor do most people here at RF.
 
C

Crown College ofthe Bible

Member
T-Dawg said:
Whether or not the Bible indicates that Satan exists is entirely irrelevant to whether or not Satan actually exists. You might take everything the Bible says as unquestionable truth, but I have a feeling that the OP doesn't, and nor do most people here at RF.
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I have a question for you. What proof do you have that Satan exists or do you believe that he exists and if you do, what proof do you have?
 
T-Dawg

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
Crown College ofthe Bible said:
I have a question for you. What proof do you have that Satan exists or do you believe that he exists and if you do, what proof do you have?
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I don't believe that Satan exists. Now, fictional or not, he's a good role model, that's for sure, but I don't consider his existence relevant. Satan's not the kind of guy who will kill and torture you for not believing in him.
 
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