Does Science has nothing in common with God?

[questfortruth]

In today's ' known ' science/physics what many see as not possible is possible with God.

Or maybe Jesus will miraculously prolong the work of the Sun. Then, indeed: there is no time limitation. But then God will be proven scientifically, and this will disturb the fragile peace on Earth: “When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.” Matthew 2:3. And from this unhealthy excitement, 14,000 babies were slotted in Bethlehem and its environs. Therefore, time is finite: no more than 4 billion years of history ahead of 2022 AD.

 

[Nimos]

If Religion and Science have no common ground, then why are the statements of atheists unscientific?

Don't know what you mean by that?

 

[F1fan]

It is unscientific to say: "there is no God, because there is no proof of God."

Your question implies religious concepts are relevant to science.

It's irrelevant to science, if that is what you mean.

As far as declaring "there is no god" which god are you referring to? "God" as a category has thousands of options. If you are going to be vague that there is little room to make any assessment. Now if you want to talk about whether Zeus exists we can present the full description and its origins and make a pretty good conclusion that THAT god does not exist.

So feel free to describe in great detail the god you think exists, and then we can discuss whether THAT version exists or not.

and it is unscientific to say: "Highly likely, that there is no God, because there is no proof of God."

Again, asking to make a judgment about a huge category of descriptions and concepts is not scientific. Some say God is nature, so to that description Gaia does exist. Of course Gaia exists because nature is nature, and we observe it existing. Your God is not Gaia, I'll bet.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If the second coming is somehow dependent on physical reality being unchanging, and if physical reality is nothing if not constant change, then the second coming would seem to be ruled out.....................

Physical reality as described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5 in these last days of badness on Earth.
Physical reality changes from bad to worse - 2 Timothy 3:13.
MAN has dominated MAN to MAN's hurt, MAN's injury as Ecclesiastes 8:9 says.
Mankind will be ' surprised ' as 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 mentions.
Tied in with the above, when the powers in charge will be saying, " Peace and Security..." that will prove to be the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14,9 before there will be Peace on Earth.

 

[questfortruth]

Your question implies religious concepts are relevant to science.

It's irrelevant to science, if that is what you mean.

If word God is unscientific in its character, then for sure, the expression: "There is no God, because there is no proof of God" is unscientific.

 

[metis]

If Science has something in common with religion,
then religion is scientific? And science is religious, isn't it?

Their approaches generally are 100% the opposite because most religious beliefs are based on subjective faith sources whereas science is based on objectively derived evidence.

 

[Sheldon]

When the vail of ignorance has been removed, spiritual people do experience the spiritual realm.
Something a non religious or spiritual person can not fathom

Veil, and the first part is a circular reasoning fallacy yet again, and the second a pretty obvious no true Scotsman fallacy. Though no doubt these objections will be waved away again.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Veil, and the first part is a circular reasoning fallacy yet again, and the second a pretty obvious no true Scotsman fallacy. Though no doubt these objections will be waved away again.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Or maybe Jesus will miraculously prolong the work of the Sun. Then, indeed: there is no time limitation. But then God will be proven scientifically, and this will disturb the fragile peace on Earth: “When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.” Matthew 2:3. And from this unhealthy excitement, 14,000 babies were slotted in Bethlehem and its environs. Therefore, time is finite: no more than 4 billion years of history ahead of 2022 AD.

To me the fact that for each day we can count we can count both forwards and backwards forever and ever.
So, to me there will be No end to time.
I find No fragile Peace on Earth but a forever everlasting life on a beautiful paradisical Earth as Eden originally was.
Adam was offered eternal life on Earth as long as he obeyed God's Law.
Jesus will come to undo all the temporary damage Satan and Adam brought upon humanity.
This is why we are all invited to pray to God for Jesus to come !
Kind of like if you were out working in your beautiful garden and someone came along and interrupted you.
Would you say because I was interrupted I am Never going back to my garden, or rather once the interruption was over you would return to your garden ______
Once Jesus gets rid of interrupting sinner Satan (Hebrews 2:14 B) then we can return, so to speak, to the garden.

 

[Jack11]

Science is simply man's quest to understand and use the environment that we live in and a lot of great things have come from it like everything your surrounded with and using right now. God made man intelligent he would expect us to look and learn.

 

[RestlessSoul]

The non-physical = imaginary.

How do you experience the physical? Your mind organises the information it receives from your senses, into a complex pattern of coherent images and sensations, no? So how is that not imaginary? Do you think you see the material world as it truly is, or as you imagine it to be? Bearing in mind, of course, that the components of the material world appear to be no more solid than the agitations of a quantum field. And that we construct our images of the world from the limited data sets which our senses have access to, and our brains are able to interpret. Poised as we are in scale, halfway between the atoms and the stars, we see only a fraction even of that which is right in front of us - and within us.

 

[blü 2]

The Biblical Religion says, that at the Second Coming of Jesus
the Sun with be shining, and the human life on Earth will be going normal comfortable way.

But Physics says that it is not possible after 4 billion years from now.

Hence, Science does not allow God to come after 4 000 000 000 AD.

If Science has something in common with religion,
then religion is scientific? And science is religious, isn't it?

More text about it is in
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357970713_Is_Religion_Scientific


It is spiritual war. Unfair, dishonest war.
For example, the Voltaire has written: "If there were no God, He has to be invented. But, He exists without any invention." But only this part was repeated by atheists through the centuries: "If there were no God, He has to be invented." That is why some of my papers could become a weapon against goodness, love and truth. Because they will be cited out of context.

Thanks for that link.

However, the threshold problem hasn't gone away ─ what real entity is the word "God" intended to denote, such that if we find a real suspect, we can determine whether it's God or not?

 

[F1fan]

What?
I say spiritual and religious people believe in the spiritual realm of existence.

You can say it all you want but there is nothing in reality that correlates to the phrase "spiritual realm". It's essentially a fantasy land.

You keep appealing to this imaginary world as if it is real and a useful, functional location for people's minds.

 

[F1fan]

How do you experience the physical?

Physically, like any of us us, and other animals.

Your mind organises the information it receives from your senses, into a complex pattern of coherent images and sensations, no? So how is that not imaginary?

You're confusing a lot of different brain functions here. Sensing the physical environment is just a natural process our senses and brain does. We can look at an orange and recognize what it is. It requires no word "orange" said in our mind to understand what it is.

We humans also use our brains to organize abstractions, thoughts, memories, words, and make judgments. A normal functioning brain can know it is thinking how to design a new product, creation a rational argument in a debate, or if it is thinking of a green cat dancing on top of a car. We can visualize real things and imaginary things. Part of how our brains works includes discerning what is real and what is imaginary. And of course we can fool ourselves about what is real in certain ways.

Do you think you see the material world as it truly is, or as you imagine it to be?

Well I don't see ghosts or spirits or imaginary things. My senses work fairly consistently. Plus I have made an effort to educate myself on what exists in our world so I have a good knowledge base to access as I navigate life. Ignorance can lead to confusion.

Bearing in mind, of course, that the components of the material world appear to be no more solid than the agitations of a quantum field. And that we construct our images of the world from the limited data sets which our senses have access to, and our brains are able to interpret. Poised as we are in scale, halfway between the atoms and the stars, we see only a fraction even of that which is right in front of us - and within us.

Yet none of that inhibits us from going about our lives, does it? You need a six pack of beer and burritos and you get in your Camaro and drive to a grocer and get them. You don't get bogged down by the emptiness of atoms, do you?

What you seem to be driving at here is a god of the gaps thing, which is a useless approach, and good for you for not bringing up that dead horse to beat.

And you made no arguments to suggest any gods exist, or that science is limited in some way to detect what theists can't detect either.

 

[F1fan]

Or maybe Jesus will miraculously prolong the work of the Sun.

Wow, so Jesus is going to tell God that his creation is messed up and should have planned better? You theists are so hard on your gods.

Then, indeed: there is no time limitation. But then God will be proven scientifically, and this will disturb the fragile peace on Earth: “When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.” Matthew 2:3. And from this unhealthy excitement, 14,000 babies were slotted in Bethlehem and its environs. Therefore, time is finite: no more than 4 billion years of history ahead of 2022 AD.

Trying to make calculations with scriptures is a pretty dubious thing. Look what happened to Ussher and his calculations. Disaster.

 

[YoursTrue]

My struggle is because of idiotic discussion with incredible stupid questions.
But if there was no struggle there would not be any progress either.

I dont have any special abilities. But I believe they exist.

Make not of the words FAITH AND BELIEF
And no i do not have to prove to anyone about my personal belief. It is personal. And if you or others like you dont believe it. It does not matter to my belief.

Jesus would speak to his "own people," meaning those of the religious and genetic heritage he was born into. But sometimes -- he stopped talking to certain ones because they were not believing him, questioned him in a not nice way, and eventually anyway put him up for death. Sad but true. And ... fulfilling God's promises.

 

[firedragon]

Science requires physical validation.
God OTOH...

I wish all atheists understands this.

 

[Daniel Nicholson]

The Biblical Religion says, that at the Second Coming of Jesus
the Sun with be shining, and the human life on Earth will be going normal comfortable way.

But Physics says that it is not possible after 4 billion years from now.

Hence, Science does not allow God to come after 4 000 000 000 AD.

If Science has something in common with religion,
then religion is scientific? And science is religious, isn't it?

More text about it is in
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357970713_Is_Religion_Scientific


It is spiritual war. Unfair, dishonest war.
For example, the Voltaire has written: "If there were no God, He has to be invented. But, He exists without any invention." But only this part was repeated by atheists through the centuries: "If there were no God, He has to be invented." That is why some of my papers could become a weapon against goodness, love and truth. Because they will be cited ...

Like this post if you think this guy doesn't make any sense

 

[RestlessSoul]

Physically, like any of us us, and other animals.


You're confusing a lot of different brain functions here. Sensing the physical environment is just a natural process our senses and brain does. We can look at an orange and recognize what it is. It requires no word "orange" said in our mind to understand what it is.

We humans also use our brains to organize abstractions, thoughts, memories, words, and make judgments. A normal functioning brain can know it is thinking how to design a new product, creation a rational argument in a debate, or if it is thinking of a green cat dancing on top of a car. We can visualize real things and imaginary things. Part of how our brains works includes discerning what is real and what is imaginary. And of course we can fool ourselves about what is real in certain ways.


Well I don't see ghosts or spirits or imaginary things. My senses work fairly consistently. Plus I have made an effort to educate myself on what exists in our world so I have a good knowledge base to access as I navigate life. Ignorance can lead to confusion.


Yet none of that inhibits us from going about our lives, does it? You need a six pack of beer and burritos and you get in your Camaro and drive to a grocer and get them. You don't get bogged down by the emptiness of atoms, do you?

What you seem to be driving at here is a god of the gaps thing, which is a useless approach, and good for you for not bringing up that dead horse to beat.

And you made no arguments to suggest any gods exist, or that science is limited in some way to detect what theists can't detect either.

No God of the gaps. There are no gaps; it’s all God. The material world, in which we play out the drama of our lives, is but a dream of God, a remarkably consistent self sustaining mirage, which we each experience subjectively, as facets of a universal consciousness - a unity expressing itself in multiplicities. It is this subjective otherness which sets the limits of our understanding and our perspective; only the whole can conceive the whole, and only by communion with the whole, can we perceive more than a tiny fraction of the universe of which we are ourselves a tiny, integral fragment.

But to return to the physical world, and the question of What is real?
“The frank realisation that physical science is concerned with a world of shadows is one of the most significant advances [of the 20th century]. In the world of physics we watch a shadow graph of the drama of familiar life. The shadow of my elbow rests on the shadow table, as the shadow ink flows across the shadow paper. It is all symbolism, and as a symbol the physicist leaves it. Then comes the alchemist Mind who transmutes the symbols…To put the conclusion simply, the stuff of the world is mind-stuff.”
- Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington (astrophysicist and mathematician).

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Does Science has nothing in common with God?

Science is a methodology to find answers to questions about physical reality.

God is a character in stories which are indistinguishable from fiction.

So no, science has nothing in common with any "god".