Does the Bible mention Islam?

[TransmutingSoul]

That's the problem. I can take it literal... like I'd like to believe in Santa Claus. Or, I can believe it never happened, but they made it up. But why... would they tell this story about speaking in different languages and have it be a metaphor? Oh, and speaking of making it up, what do you think of the Christian tongue speakers today? I know some of them. They think it's real. I've seen some of them and would swear they are making it up. Same with their "healings".

Ha ha CG you are so passionate. God bless you always.

Remember Abdul'baha explaind that as well.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 83-86

As far as speaking in toungues, what can I say but to be embarrassed for them. The Bible also says that all that is said should be understandable to those that offer it. Thus when these Metephors were given, I do believe the Apostles knew the significance of what they offered.

Regards Tony

 

[Tumah]

I would offer that the portal of Revelation lasted from 1844 to 1857 through the Bab, Baha'u'llah and entrusted to Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi.

Tgus He did a good job, on to a good thought, maybe more should have looked at why he came to those conclusions.

Regards Tony

Alkalai's view of Jewish return to the Land of Israel was a religious one. He maintained, based on an ample body of religious literature, that the coming of the Messiah and divine redemption of the Jews require their return to the Promised Land. His Kabbalistic view made him specifically assert that the year 1840 was the Year of Redemption, which was not a single year, but "a century, from this day until 1939", representing the "days of the Messiah". Unless powerful practical steps were taken, this opportunity would be lost, and the next extended "year" starting in 1940 would be one of great hardship when "with an outpouring of wrath will gather our dispersed". The outcome - the return to the Promised Land - would be the same, but under much harsher circumstances.
Judah Alkalai - Wikipedia​

He is not speaking about the coming of a new revelation, but of the period leading into the Messianic Age, during which all the Messianic prophecies would be fulfilled. None of the Messianic prophecies were fulfilled between 1844 and 1857 or since then. There is absolutely no reason to interpret Rabbi Alkalai's view as having any relation to Baha'i.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Alkalai's view of Jewish return to the Land of Israel was a religious one. He maintained, based on an ample body of religious literature, that the coming of the Messiah and divine redemption of the Jews require their return to the Promised Land. His Kabbalistic view made him specifically assert that the year 1840 was the Year of Redemption, which was not a single year, but "a century, from this day until 1939", representing the "days of the Messiah". Unless powerful practical steps were taken, this opportunity would be lost, and the next extended "year" starting in 1940 would be one of great hardship when "with an outpouring of wrath will gather our dispersed". The outcome - the return to the Promised Land - would be the same, but under much harsher circumstances.
Judah Alkalai - Wikipedia​

He is not speaking about the coming of a new revelation, but of the period leading into the Messianic Age, during which all the Messianic prophecies would be fulfilled. None of the Messianic prophecies were fulfilled between 1844 and 1857 or since then. There is absolutely no reason to interpret Rabbi Alkalai's view as having any relation to Baha'i.

He had some good thoughts and you have mentioned more of them. How else did Baha'u'llah get to the Holy land, if it was not because of religious persecution?

I have the bounty to go on a 9 day Pilgrimage to Hafia in Israel on December the 9th.

Great prophesies that talk about about Carmel and the Glory of he Lord and Zion are the reason for that pilgrimage.

Yet the world awaits a Messiah.

Regards Tony

 

[Tumah]

He had some good thoughts and you have mentioned more of them. How else did Baha'u'llah get to the Holy land, if it was not because of religious persecution?

I have the bounty to go on a 9 day Pilgrimage to Hafia in Israel on December the 9th.

Great prophesies that talk about about Carmel and the Glory of he Lord and Zion are the reason for that pilgrimage.

Yet the world awaits a Messiah.

Regards Tony

I'm sorry, I'm seeing a lot of disjointed sentences and I'm having trouble connecting them to each other and the comment on which you are responding.

 

[Dawnofhope]

@PruePhillip ,

I see you are relatively new to RF. In the right hand box in the religion section you have 'none'. Yet you sound very much like you are a Christian. Is it intentional that you don't say you are a Christian?

King David is seen very much as an Old Testament person. But in strange ways he, like Moses
and many others, were more New Testament.
David foresaw the suffering Messiah (Psalm 22 and 69 for example)
David was a "type" or figure of the Rejected and Reigning King.
David was not a Levite, did not officiate in temple duties and saw mercy as
being more important than sacrifices.

King David was an enormously important part of God's plan. What he has in common with Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is Divine Revelation. As God revealed the Torah through Moses, the Gospels through Christ, and the Quran through Muhammad, so God reveal the psalms through King David. Part of Divine revelation is prophecy. There are significant Messianic verses in psalms, some specific such as Jesus, others more genera so applicable to future prophets and Messiah's such as Deuteronomy 18:18-22.

King David was much more like Muhammad than Jesus. Both were warrior Kings who united their peoples under One God. Jesus didn't unite the Jewish people or raise a sword. Part of the reality of uniting tribes and being King is the necessity of marriages to different tribal members. Both Muhammad and David had many wife's and children. Jesus did not marry.

Please don't equate Mohamed with Jesus. There's tons of web sites which
detail the differences between these two men. Google them.

If you re-read my post I have emphasised Muhammad being more similar to David and Moses than Jesus, in a social sense. In regards spiritual influence, more people on this plant bear allegiance to the teachings of Christ and Muhammad than any other religion leader.

Islam is likely to overtake Christianity as the largest religion on the planet in about 50 years. As we live in an increasingly multicultural world, there is an urgent need for peoples of differing faiths to better understand one another and to build genuine bonds of love and fellowship

Correct, what the OT says is that the Covenant would last until the Messiah came.
And this covenant would go the way of Israel itself as the Messiah is embraced by
the Gentiles. Gen 49:10 is a good one.

Jacob is another important biblical character in that half the chapters of Genesis are dedicated to his life.

I wonder if Genesis 49:10 would better fit one who united His people or brought them together? David did just that and so will the Returned Christ. Jesus clearly didn't. As He famously said, He did not come to bring peace but instead a sword (Matthew 10:34-36).

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I'm sorry, I'm seeing a lot of disjointed sentences and I'm having trouble connecting them to each other and the comment on which you are responding.

Thats Ok, I was contemplating passage such as these;

Isaiah 35:2 "it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of the LORD, the splendor of our God."

This also;

Isaiah 2:1-5 "The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the LORD'S house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow into it. 3 Many people shall come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law. And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many people; They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. 5 O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of the LORD." (See also Micah 4:1-5).

I see these would not be about Muhammad, as they talk of the Last Days. But I will visit the mountain being discussed in these passages.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

No it doesn't. It says it will be written on Jews' hearts so it needn't be taught anymore.

I agree that Jeremiah 31:31-34 doesn't fit Jesus. I wonder that it means to the Jewish people though and what it will look like once its been fulfilled.

 

[Tumah]

I see these would not be about Muhammad, as they talks of the Last Days. But I will.visit the mountain being discussed in these passages.

Yes?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes?

I think it no coincidence that the Holy Land is pilgrimage to Four world Faiths.

Jews, Christains, Muslims and Baha'i.

Holy Land - Wikipedia

If that was not foretold in scripture, one would have to consider that they were not very accurate prophecies.

I see all these Faiths are mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and Christains.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

I thought the "footnote" thing would get you. And that's what I wanted to happen, because The Bab is very much in the background. If Christ returns in 1844, then The Bab is the promised return of Christ. But, he's not. He's the forerunner. Do Baha'is study and learn about the Bab? Do Baha'is read the Bayan? No, he's secondary. Is he a "manifestation"? Why, other than to Baha'is, does he need to be? Why not just a prophet heralding the great return of the King of Kings in 1863?

1863 is just the date that Baha’u’llah proclaimed His Mission to His followers. It is not the most important date. The most important date is the proclamation of the Bab because the Bab ushered in the Baha’i Cycle of religion, the Messianic Age. In a sense He was the return of the Spirit of Christ. Do you know that Muhammad said that he was the return of Christ? Baha’u’llah quotes that in the Iqan. That is because Muhammad was the return of all the Prophets who came before Him, since they are all the same Spirit of God.

We do not read the Bayan because it has been superseded by the Revelation of Baha’u’llah. The Bab said that the Babis should turn to Baha’u’llah, “He whom God shall make manifest,” and completely disregard His words after Baha’u’llah came.

Now Baha'is have to find proof and support, not only for Baha'u'llah and Muhammad, but for a "twin" manifestation that are only a few years apart. Since Baha'i believe there were other "forerunners", why weren't they "manifestations"? Why this forerunner? I suppose there is verses in the Quran that say there will be two manifestations coming? To me, all the Bible references are a little weak. The Bab is the second of three "Woes"? Woes are mentioned more than just these three and no other times is it meant to be about the coming of a manifestation. But, rather, the coming of calamities and judgements from a wrathful God. And the Three Woes are filled with bad things happening, but Christ doesn't come on his white horse to conquer evil 'til later in Revelation. So it's tough for me to believe it.

As I recall, the Qur’an foretold the Twin Manifestations. The three woes were explained by Adbu’l-Baha, and they are not what Christians interpret them to mean.

“The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.” 22 The first woe is the appearance of the Prophet, Muhammad, the son of ‘Abdu’lláh—peace be upon Him! The second woe is that of the Báb—to Him be glory and praise! The third woe is the great day of the manifestation of the Lord of Hosts and the radiance of the Beauty of the Promised One. The explanation of this subject, woe, is mentioned in the thirtieth chapter of Ezekiel, where it is said: “The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying, Son of man, prophesy and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Howl ye, Woe worth the day! For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near.” 23

Therefore, it is certain that the day of woe is the day of the Lord; for in that day woe is for the neglectful, woe is for the sinners, woe is for the ignorant. That is why it is said, “The second woe is past; behold the third woe cometh quickly!” This third woe is the day of the manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh, the day of God; and it is near to the day of the appearance of the Báb.

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.” 24

Some Answered Questions, p. 56​

From the chapter 11: COMMENTARY ON THE ELEVENTH CHAPTER OF THE REVELATION OF ST. JOHN

Maybe not you, but one of the Baha'is should find out if the Jews were expecting their Messiah around 1844. With all those other forums and threads you're involved in, I wouldn't want you to go out of your way just for me. Let Adrian do it. He's probably got some time... in between doing his medical work and handling about a hundred threads he's started.

Thanks for the consideration, I am busy. Tumah said something about that expectation on this thread #533 Tumah, Yesterday at 4:27 AM

Maybe Adrian or Tony could look into it further.

 

[Tumah]

I think it no coincidence that the Holy Land is pilgrimage to Four world Faiths.

Jews, Christains, Muslims and Baha'i.

Holy Land - Wikipedia

If that was not foretold in scripture, one would have to consider that they were not very accurate prophecies.

I see all these Faiths are mentioned in the scriptures of the Jews and Christains.

Regards Tony

I do not see any prophecy claiming that the Israel will become a place of pilgrimage to the four world faiths.

Actually, I'm not sure what the Four World Faiths are, but I'm fairly certain they're not listed anywhere in Jewish Scriptures.

 

[Dawnofhope]

To answer the Thread ( does the bible mention Islam) The book of Revelation is the only book in the bible that makes any reference to Islam

Good to see you are answering the question directly instead of obfuscating.

I agree that Islam is mentioned in the book of Revelation, though believe its mentioned in other books too.

In Revelation 11:1-2---"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein"

2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months"

Note that John was given a reed like a rod, to measure the temple of God, But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not, for it is given unto the Gentiles, and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months"

The holy city, this being Jerusalem.

Now as for the Gentiles are given the outer court to tread under foot.

In Jerusalem who will find what Islam calls the dome of the rock. Which is found in the outer court of the temple and holy city Jerusalem.

(The Dome of the Rock is an Islamic shrine located on the Temple Mount in the Old City of Jerusalem. It was initially completed in 691 CE at the order of Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik)

Some people may think, this is a good thing right, nope not at all.

Not when a person understands the whole book of Revelation.

The mount of O'lives, where Jesus was taken up to heaven as the disciples watch.

That's an interesting take on Revelation 11:1-2.

A Baha'i exegesis is as follows;

This reed is a Perfect Man Who is likened to a reed, and the manner of its likeness is this: when the interior of a reed is empty and free from all matter, it will produce beautiful melodies; and as the sound and melodies do not come from the reed, but from the flute player who blows upon it, so the sanctified heart of that blessed Being is free and emptied from all save God, pure and exempt from the attachments of all human conditions, and is the companion of the Divine Spirit. Whatever He utters is not from Himself, but from the real flute player, and it is a divine inspiration. That is why He is likened to a reed; and that reed is like a rod—that is to say, it is the helper of every impotent one, and the support of human beings. It is the rod of the Divine Shepherd by which He guards His flock and leads them about the pastures of the Kingdom.


Then it is said: “The angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein”—that is to say, compare and measure: measuring is the discovery of proportion. Thus the angel said: compare the temple of God and the altar and them that are praying therein—that is to say, investigate what is their true condition and discover in what degree and state they are, and what conditions, perfections, behavior and attributes they possess; and make yourself cognizant of the mysteries of those holy souls who dwell in the Holy of Holies in purity and sanctity.


“But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles.”

In the beginning of the seventh century after Christ, when Jerusalem was conquered, the Holy of Holies was outwardly preserved—that is to say, the house which Solomon built; but outside the Holy of Holies the outer court was taken and given to the Gentiles. “And the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months”—that is to say, the Gentiles shall govern and control Jerusalem forty and two months, signifying twelve hundred and sixty days; and as each day signifies a year, by this reckoning it becomes twelve hundred and sixty years, which is the duration of the cycle of the Qur’án. For in the texts of the Holy Book, each day is a year; as it is said in the fourth chapter of Ezekiel, verse 6: “Thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.”


This prophesies the duration of the Dispensation of Islám when Jerusalem was trodden under foot, which means that it lost its glory—but the Holy of Holies was preserved, guarded and respected—until the year 1260. This twelve hundred and sixty years is a prophecy of the manifestation of the Báb, the “Gate” of Bahá’u’lláh, which took place in the year 1260 of the Hejira of Muḥammad, and as the period of twelve hundred and sixty years has expired, Jerusalem, the Holy City, is now beginning to become prosperous, populous and flourishing. Anyone 47 who saw Jerusalem sixty years ago, and who sees it now, will recognize how populous and flourishing it has become, and how it is again honored.


This is the outward meaning of these verses of the Revelation of St. John; but they have another explanation and a symbolic sense, which is as follows: the Law of God is divided into two parts. One is the fundamental basis which comprises all spiritual things—that is to say, it refers to the spiritual virtues and divine qualities; this does not change nor alter: it is the Holy of Holies, which is the essence of the Law of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ, Muḥammad, the Báb, and Bahá’u’lláh, and which lasts and is established in all the prophetic cycles. It will never be abrogated, for it is spiritual and not material truth; it is faith, knowledge, certitude, justice, piety, righteousness, trustworthiness, love of God, benevolence, purity, detachment, humility, meekness, patience and constancy. It shows mercy to the poor, defends the oppressed, gives to the wretched and uplifts the fallen.


These divine qualities, these eternal commandments, will never be abolished; nay, they will last and remain established for ever and ever. These virtues of humanity will be renewed in each of the different cycles; for at the end of every cycle the spiritual Law of God—that is to say, the human virtues—disappears, and only the form subsists.


Thus among the Jews, at the end of the cycle of Moses, which coincides with the Christian manifestation, the Law of God disappeared, only a form without spirit remaining. The Holy of Holies departed from among them, but the outer court of Jerusalem—which is the expression used for the form of the religion—fell into the hands of the Gentiles. In the same way, the fundamental principles of the religion of Christ, which are the greatest virtues of humanity, have disappeared; and its form has remained in the hands of the clergy and the priests. Likewise, the foundation of the religion of Muḥammad has disappeared, but its form remains in the hands of the official ‘ulamá.


These foundations of the Religion of God, which are spiritual and which are the virtues of humanity, cannot be abrogated; they are irremovable and eternal, and are renewed in the cycle of every Prophet.

The second part of the Religion of God, which refers to the material world, and which comprises fasting, prayer, forms of worship, marriage and divorce, the abolition of slavery, legal processes, transactions, indemnities for murder, violence, theft and injuries—this part of the Law of God, which refers to material things, is modified and altered in each prophetic cycle in accordance with the necessities of the times.

Briefly, what is meant by the term Holy of Holies is that spiritual Law which will never be modified, altered or abrogated; and the Holy City means the material Law which may be abrogated; and this material Law, which is described as the Holy City, was to be trodden under foot for twelve hundred and sixty years.

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 45-61

 

[Dawnofhope]

Acts 1:9-11--"And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight"

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven"

So we find that Jesus will return back on top of the mount of O'lives. Which is the outer court of the temple.

But however before Christ Jesus does return, Satan and his angels will descend down on top of the mount of O'lives first, and then Satan shall enter the temple mosque dome of the rock of Islam.to proclaim that he is their long awaited Messiah that Islam has long been waiting for.

So much to prove to Islam he is who he say he is, and he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on earth in the sight of men. and deceiving them that dwells on earth.

The major problem with a literal interpretation of Acts of the apostles 1:9-11 is that we have Christ ascending through the stratosphere to go to heaven. Of course that relies on a cosmology that is now redundant, unless we want to believe that Heaven where God resides is literally in the sky and hell is literally below the earth.

I think heaven signifies the realm of God's Revelation to man, so the Messiah brings a new Revelation from God as Jesus did and Moses before Him. That's exciting because it leaves the location open.

Satan is the grand master of deceptions.That if it were possible, Satan deceptions, would even deceive God's elect people. But for the elects shake, those days shall be shorten.
For if Christ Jesus did not shorten those day of the tribulation, no flesh would be saved. But all would perish.

Christians themselves are being deceived into believing that Satan and his angels are already here on earth.
Unto which Satan and his angels are not here on earth yet.
For Christians believing that Satan and his angels are already here on earth, will be deceived, thinking that Satan is Christ Jesus. All because Alot of Christians have no idea that Satan will come first, before Christ Jesus himself comes.

This is what the book of Revelation calls the hour of temptation. This being the hour of Satan's to deceive the whole world into believing that he is Christ Jesus. And the whole world will wonder after Satan, Islam thinking he is their long awaited Messiah. That they have been looking for.
And alot of Christians will think this is Christ Jesus that they have long waited for.

I agree with the part about how we can all, including Christians be deceived by Satan. That could mean being attached to man made ideas and doctrines that obscure the truth...a little like how the Jews missed Jesus the first time round.

At this time the real Christ Jesus shows up on the scene.to catch the whole world in worshipping Satan, Islam worshipping the false Messiah ( Satan) and for Christians worshipping ( Satan) the false Christ Jesus.

Many Christians shall go to their pastors, preachers to ask questions about the book of Revelation, but even their pastors, preachers have no idea about the book of Revelation themselves, but those pastors, preachers, shall tell the people whatever they want to, thereby fulfilling Prophecy of the bible,Scriptures.

2 Timoth 4:3--"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables"

It will be a little like the days of Noah and the great flood (Matthew 24:27-29).

Then the rapture will come (Matthew 24:40-41).

I can feel myself being lifted up to heaven just thinking about it!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I do not see any prophecy claiming that the Israel will become a place of pilgrimage to the four world faiths.

Actually, I'm not sure what the Four World Faiths are, but I'm fairly certain they're not listed anywhere in Jewish Scriptures.

Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 33

1. And this is the blessing with which Moses, the man of God, blessed the children of Israel [just] before his death. אוְזֹ֣את הַבְּרָכָ֗ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר בֵּרַ֥ךְ משֶׁ֛ה אִ֥ישׁ הָֽאֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶת־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל לִפְנֵ֖י מוֹתֽוֹ:
2He said: "The Lord came from Sinai and shone forth from Seir to them; He appeared from Mount Paran and came with some of the holy myriads; from His right hand was a fiery Law for them. בוַיֹּאמַ֗ר יְהֹוָ֞ה מִסִּינַ֥י בָּא֙ וְזָרַ֤ח מִשֵּׂעִיר֙ לָ֔מוֹ הוֹפִ֨יעַ֙ מֵהַ֣ר פָּארָ֔ן וְאָתָ֖ה מֵרִֽבְבֹ֣ת קֹ֑דֶשׁ מִֽימִינ֕וֹ אֵ֥שׁ דָּ֖ת לָֽמוֹ:

It could be the Four Faiths are mentioned there. I see they are.

Regards Tony

 

[Dawnofhope]

But you said that it didn't make sense that a "disembodied" Spirit could do the things mentioned. But, how is it possible and how does it make sense that two physical bodies that wouldn't exist for several centuries be known and dwell within the apostles? Here is what I asked again:

In John 14:26 in your quote, it says who the Comforter is... the Holy Ghost. And, again, in 14:17, it says that the Spirit of Truth was known to the apostles because he dwells with them and will be in them. And at Pentecost was in them. Muhammad nor Baha'u'llah was known to them nor was dwelling with them and was later in them.

So Jesus says the "Comforter" is the "Holy Ghost". This "Spirit of Truth" was known and dwelt within the apostles. Why couldn't there be a spiritual being known as the "Holy Ghost" or "Spirit of Truth" that could be known and dwell within them? Why would this "Spirit of Truth" need to have a physical body? Even in people, what is more real and eternal, the physical body or the spirit?

Both views are correct. The Holy Spirit that descended upon the Apostles in Acts is the Holy Spirit that lives inside a true believer.

The Holy Spirit or Comforter the Gospel of John talks about is a man, not the Spirit of Christ in Acts of the Apostles 2.

Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:17

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:26

The Holy Spirit in Acts didn't teach all things, only reminded the apostles of what Christ taught and to follow His commands. There was nothing the Apostles taught that was in addition to what Christ taught. They could interpret what Jesus said, but they didn't have the authority to add to it. In other words they didn't start teaching anything that the apostles had not received from Christ when He was still alive.

 

[PruePhillip]

I agree that Jeremiah 31:31-34 doesn't fit Jesus. I wonder that it means to the Jewish people though and what it will look like once its been fulfilled.

The New Covenant of Jeremiah is the one spoken of by many authors of the old covenant.
There was no more law - but a law of the heart (more strict than the "letter of the law") and
how could a person's heart be moved? By the story of The One who came to die for us.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The New Covenant of Jeremiah is the one spoken of by many authors of the old covenant.
There was no more law - but a law of the heart (more strict than the "letter of the law") and
how could a person's heart be moved? By the story of The One who came to die for us.

I think its a prophecy that will be fulfilled by the Returned Christ.

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31-34

The major problem is that most Jews did not recognise Jesus as their Messiah. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen anytime soon. There's too much bad blood.

With the Return of Christ the Jews as a nation will eventually recognise Him as their Messiah.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The major problem with a literal interpretation of Acts of the apostles 1:9-11 is that we have Christ ascending through the stratosphere to go to heaven. Of course that relies on a cosmology that is now redundant, unless we want to believe that Heaven where God resides is literally in the sky and hell is literally below the earth.

I think heaven signifies the realm of God's Revelation to man, so the Messiah brings a new Revelation from God as Jesus did and Moses before Him. That's exciting because it leaves the location open.





I agree with the part about how we can all, including Christians be deceived by Satan. That could mean being attached to man made ideas and doctrines that obscure the truth...a little like how the Jews missed Jesus the first time round.



It will be a little like the days of Noah and the great flood (Matthew 24:27-29).

Then the rapture will come (Matthew 24:40-41).

I can feel myself being lifted up to heaven just thinking about it!

Here's what you said ( The major problem with a literal interpretation of Acts of the apostles 1:9-11is that we have Christ ascending through the stratosphere to go to heaven. Of course that relies on a cosmology that is now redundant, unless we want to believe that Heaven where God resides is literally in the sky and hell is literally below the earth)

The problem with what your saying is that, your looking at God's kingdom as be literal place above the earth.

Not realizing that God's kingdom and the angels are in another dimension from us, that we as mortals can not see.

So in a sense God's kingdom could very well be above the earth only in another dimension from us, That we as mortals can not see.

It's like the wind/air, no one as actually seen the wind/air, to know what the wind, air actually looks like, We can see the wind, air, blowing, but we can not actually see the wind/air to know what it actually looks like.
The same with God and the kingdom of heaven and the angels, that are in another dimension from us. That we as mortals can not see.
So how would you not know of a certain that, God's kingdom of heaven and the angels could very well be above the earth. Just in another dimension from us. That we can not see.

As Christ Jesus said himself in the book of Luke 17:20--"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation"

You see even the Pharisees thought the kingdom of God could be seen, But as Christ said ( The kingdom of God comes not with observation)
Meaning that the kingdom of God is in another dimension from us, that can not be seen with observation.

 

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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 33

1. And this is the blessing with which Moses, the man of God, blessed the children of Israel [just] before his death. אוְזֹ֣את הַבְּרָכָ֗ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר בֵּרַ֥ךְ משֶׁ֛ה אִ֥ישׁ הָֽאֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶת־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל לִפְנֵ֖י מוֹתֽוֹ:
2He said: "The Lord came from Sinai and shone forth from Seir to them; He appeared from Mount Paran and came with some of the holy myriads; from His right hand was a fiery Law for them. בוַיֹּאמַ֗ר יְהֹוָ֞ה מִסִּינַ֥י בָּא֙ וְזָרַ֤ח מִשֵּׂעִיר֙ לָ֔מוֹ הוֹפִ֨יעַ֙ מֵהַ֣ר פָּארָ֔ן וְאָתָ֖ה מֵרִֽבְבֹ֣ת קֹ֑דֶשׁ מִֽימִינ֕וֹ אֵ֥שׁ דָּ֖ת לָֽמוֹ:

It could be the Four Faiths are mentioned there. I see they are.

Regards Tony

Of course you do. That would perfectly fit the context.

 

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Devarim - Deuteronomy - Chapter 33

1. And this is the blessing with which Moses, the man of God, blessed the children of Israel [just] before his death. אוְזֹ֣את הַבְּרָכָ֗ה אֲשֶׁ֨ר בֵּרַ֥ךְ משֶׁ֛ה אִ֥ישׁ הָֽאֱלֹהִ֖ים אֶת־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל לִפְנֵ֖י מוֹתֽוֹ:
2He said: "The Lord came from Sinai and shone forth from Seir to them; He appeared from Mount Paran and came with some of the holy myriads; from His right hand was a fiery Law for them. בוַיֹּאמַ֗ר יְהֹוָ֞ה מִסִּינַ֥י בָּא֙ וְזָרַ֤ח מִשֵּׂעִיר֙ לָ֔מוֹ הוֹפִ֨יעַ֙ מֵהַ֣ר פָּארָ֔ן וְאָתָ֖ה מֵרִֽבְבֹ֣ת קֹ֑דֶשׁ מִֽימִינ֕וֹ אֵ֥שׁ דָּ֖ת לָֽמוֹ:

It could be the Four Faiths are mentioned there. I see they are.

Regards Tony

It could be that 6 flavors of ice cream are mentioned there. Since I see no mention of four I am not bound to that number, and I just really like ice cream. Where exactly do you see 4 faiths in those 2 verses? Just curious.