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Does the Bible Permit Women to Lead, Teach, Preach or Speak?
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Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
very well said.
waitasec
Veteran Member
can you provide scripture that says, 'husbands submit to your wives'?
Reine
Member
In my post I said that the bible says for husbands and wives to submit to one another... I will find the verse if you really need me to, but I think you know what verse I am speaking of. Are you telling me that if God gave your wife wisdom in a certain area, you would be too bullheaded to listen to her? That's kind of like banging your head against the wall, becuause you think it proves you right :/ :banghead3
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
That's what gets me as well.
Reine
Member
... also, the context of what was written in the bible does not suggest that all women are subject to domination of all men. It was specifically addressing the marriage relationship of married men and women, and it was addressing specific problems that were ocurring in churches that the letters were addressed to. The letters did also contain the statement that husbands and wives were to submit to one another. Tapping into each other's strengths and helping each other through their weaknesses is wisdom, that I have personally experienced after 24 years of marriage.
Reine
Member
What gets you mad?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The root is in the translation of the Greek word for woman/wife as woman, interpreted as "all women." Text is 1 Corinthians 11:3
KJV 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
ESV 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.
The Greek can go either way, but obviously the context is marriage and not a theological justification for male headship in all situations.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
The contempt for the particular calling and talents of women.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
from the apostle Paul the advice was clear regarding a mans responsibility to his wife:
1Cor 7:3 Let the husband render to [his] wife her due (sexual relations); but let the wife also do likewise to [her] husband. 4 The wife does not exercise authority over her own body, but her husband does; likewise, also, the husband does not exercise authority over his own body, but his wife does. 5 Do not be depriving each other [of it], except by mutual consent for an appointed time
Ephesian 5:21Be in subjection to one another in fear of Christ...
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, continue loving YOUR wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it
Ephesians 5:28 In this way husbands ought to be loving their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself, 29 for no man ever hated his own flesh; but he feeds and cherishes it, as the Christ also does the congregation, 30 because we are members of his body
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Reine
Member
Yes, I think that couples need the freedom to work out their relationships strengths and weaknesses depending on who is more skilled at certain things. It isn't the same for every couple.
waitasec
Veteran Member
21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.
ok thank you.
this is how i enterpret this passage:
in order for the husband to show his love, he is to be responsible for his wife...to me that shows an act of submission on the wife's part. how can the husband be responsible for his wife...? she is her own person and ultimately responsible for herself...paul is saying the husband is in charge of her choices and to steer her desires in order to "present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless."
there is no freedom in this arrangement. and i believe when you are married, or with someone who loves you, you are free to be yourself...free to make mistakes and free to learn from them surrounded by patience and hope and love.
as far as the 1 cor, it's about the sex life...
it's hard to have a successful sex life if it isn't for the purpose of pleasing your partner...
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Well, Somebody on here implied that women were only good for doing laundry and cleaning toilets.
Reine
Member
Yes... some men have always thought they were in charge, but you have to ask yourself.... Why is it that the man needed a helpmate?
e.r.m.
Church of Christ
No prob.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
To match all of his dark socks...:help:Yes... some men have always thought they were in charge, but you have to ask yourself.... Why is it that the man needed a helpmate?
Reine
Member
There are no word that can describe exactly how true that is...:laundry:
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
You're preaching to the choir. My wife went on a trip. I ended up with 6 pairs of black and navy socks...