Does the existence of aliens change your belief in God and/or your religion?

[Guy Threepwood]

There are complex life forms at the bottom of the ocean, though: an environment that wouldn't be much different than what probably exists on Europa. It is due to those same complex life forms that we know that life can survive at extreme pressures. That being said, another way to regulate climate other than having a large moon would be to have a very thick atmosphere like what Venus has. The pressures at the sea floor are greater than on Venus' surface, too. So we know complex life could survive on a cooler, wetter version of Venus.

The biggest issue, to me at least, is not knowing the minimum requirements for abiogenesis. Even if life can survive in exotic conditions, we don't know if it could actually develop there or not. We need to do more research first.

I take that point, though 'complex' is a little subjective, I don't think extremophile tube worms clinging to an ocean vent are going to be joining the space race anytime soon?
So too with Venus, the Earth's complex, rich, diverse climate, seasons, environs etc are uniquely tuned to develop complex, rich, diverse life in turn. Yet also with an improbably unique stabilizing satellite limiting the swings- not to mention the role tides may have had in developing land animals etc..

in short simple conditions = simple life, which again we can observe on Earth- remaining practically unchanged for millions of years

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

I still can't get over this. Where do you get the absurd and obviously erroneous assumption that with "tech a little better than ours" we could populate the galaxy. I've never heard anyone make such an assumption, but do you have any evidence to support this beyond mere speculation?

What if We Can Never Travel Faster Than Light?

~PEACE~

 

[leibowde84]

What if We Can Never Travel Faster Than Light?

~PEACE~

Isn't this video mere speculation as well?

 

[Parsimony]

I take that point, though 'complex' is a little subjective, I don't think extremophile tube worms clinging to an ocean vent are going to be joining the space race anytime soon?

There are fish and crabs there too. Do you only consider intelligent, technological life to be complex? Why?

So too with Venus, the Earth's complex, rich, diverse climate, seasons, environs etc are uniquely tuned to develop complex, rich, diverse life in turn. Yet also with an improbably unique stabilizing satellite limiting the swings- not to mention the role tides may have had in developing land animals etc..

in short simple conditions = simple life, which again we can observe on Earth- remaining practically unchanged for millions of years

Having a stable temperature worldwide doesn't mean that the only kind of environments would be simple. You can still have plate tectonics causing continents to join and split (which have had major consequences for evolution on Earth), You can still have deserts and rainforests on such a planet because temperature isn't what determines those: humidity/rainfall is. Asteroid impacts and super-volcanic eruptions would still be evolution-changers for these planets (as they have been for Earth).

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Isn't this video mere speculation as well?

Did you even watch this video?

Science fiction can turn into science fact.

~PEACE~

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Isn't this video mere speculation as well?

I believe that we will be able to travel faster than light within the next century, so that video is not practical because that technology is already obsolete.

~PEACE~

 

[leibowde84]

I believe that we will be able to travel faster than light within the next century, so that video is not practical because that technology is already obsolete.

~PEACE~

So, you don't believe the theory of relativity?

 

[leibowde84]

I believe that we will be able to travel faster than light within the next century, so that video is not practical because that technology is already obsolete.

~PEACE~

Also, what evidence do you have to support your claim?

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

So, you don't believe the theory of relativity?

I believe that there are loopholes in the theory of relativity, and we will be able to travel faster than light.

We will be able to bend space-time, and travel throughout the cosmos!

~PEACE~

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Also, what evidence do you have to support your claim?

I have a "secret".

I know something you don't know!

I am privvy to a fact that most of the population is unaware of and can't fathom anyways.

Maybe I will disclose this esoteric information, or maybe I will wait?

~PEACE~

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

I still can't get over this. Where do you get the absurd and obviously erroneous assumption that with "tech a little better than ours" we could populate the galaxy. I've never heard anyone make such an assumption, but do you have any evidence to support this beyond mere speculation?

It appears to be a corrupted version of the well-known Fermi paradox.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

We will be able to bend space-time, and travel throughout the cosmos!

We already bend spacetime according to the only theory in which spacetime can bend (general relativity; although there are some exotic variants and some less exotic extensions, those that allow for spacetime curvature do in what is for our purposes equivalent to general relativity). The classic one-line explanation is "matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move." Spacetime curvature is, simplistically, gravity. Increasing curvature is similar to increasing your mass or velocity or both. It's not about connecting different regions of spacetime.

 

[notsoplainJane]

EDIT- By the way, you have very pretty hair, and I wish I could see your pretty face

~PEACE~

It's not my hair, yet. Next week it will be. Mine is all purple. As for the face. Think of me like the aliens. You know it's there but you can't see it. All part of the mystery...

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

We already bend spacetime according to the only theory in which spacetime can bend (general relativity; although there are some exotic variants and some less exotic extensions, those that allow for spacetime curvature do in what is for our purposes equivalent to general relativity). The classic one-line explanation is "matter tells spacetime how to curve, and curved spacetime tells matter how to move." Spacetime curvature is, simplistically, gravity. Increasing curvature is similar to increasing your mass or velocity or both. It's not about connecting different regions of spacetime.

Yes, undoubtedly, we will have space craft that will bend space-time, and we will be able to colonize the cosmos in faster than light speeds.

We already have this technology, but it might not become available to the public until a few centuries, but I would mass produce this technology once I become the King of the world and it will be available much sooner.

~PEACE~

 

[leibowde84]

I have a "secret".

I know something you don't know!

I am privvy to a fact that most of the population is unaware of and can't fathom anyways.

Maybe I will disclose this esoteric information, or maybe I will wait?

~PEACE~

Is it verifiable or will we just have to take your word for it?

 

[Vishvavajra]

Several Buddhist teachings take for granted that there are other worlds and dimensions of reality that are inhabited by sentient beings, but that doesn't affect Buddhist practice in any way, apart from maybe broadening a person's perspective.

 

[George Manuel Oliveira]

Is it verifiable or will we just have to take your word for it?

It is verifiable!

But for now, you will just have to have some faith in Me

~PEACE~

 

[Mycroft]

hmm- but probes started reaching the moon a decade before people- eventually taking good clear pictures and testing the surface, everything was pretty much already discovered about the moon before the vastly more expensive, risky, task of landing people- mostly for it's own sake yes?

Likewise today, unmanned craft can tell us everything we need to know about Mars, but we still desire, plan, a manned mission.

An illogical waste of money we could argue, with nothing new to be learned- why wouldn't aliens have the same illogical curiosity to experience Earth for themselves?

But probes couldn't take samples and suchlike in the same way humans could, nor could they reliably transmit information back in the same way humans could. Rovers can do that now, so we have a lot less need to fire people over there.

 

[Mycroft]

It is verifiable!

But for now, you will just have to have some faith in Me

~PEACE~

That'll be a 'no' then.

 

[Mycroft]

I still can't get over this. Where do you get the absurd and obviously erroneous assumption that with "tech a little better than ours" we could populate the galaxy. I've never heard anyone make such an assumption, but do you have any evidence to support this beyond mere speculation?

Or the assumption that they'd even want to populate the galaxy. I'm not saying they wouldn't want to, but we can't say they would either.