Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Is Mussolini or the crowd responsible for the end he met? Is the victim responsible for the bully's broken nose or the bully who pushed the victim to necessary self defense?
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Does the Left Take Any Responsibility for the Assassination Attempts on Trump?
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an anarchist
Your local loco.
So to be clear, we are putting Trump on the same level as Mussolini?
I don’t necessarily agree or disagree, I am ill informed. Typically though, I view all politicians as authoritarians.
But the fact that everyone seems to be putting Trump on the same level as Hitler/Mussolini I believe can be seen as an inspiration to the assassination attempts.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
He is not yet being put on the same level, what is being pointed out is the parallels in his behaviour and speech that are congruent with those dictators as they were amassing power.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
But can you see the thinking I’m trying to present though and I assume the OP is as well?
Lots of people are saying stuff along the lines of “Trump=Hitler” and no one would have a problem with Hitler being shot… if someone killed Hitler, they’d be a hero!…
With your reply you point out nuance with the comparison. But how many times is that nuance left out in discussion on Trump in general?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
That there is a lack of nuanced thinking is a problem with humans in general, it is also generally not a problem when emotional arguments are not being propagated as Trump is doing. It also needs to be remembered that J.D. Vance was an early proponent of the Trump as Hitler argument for exactly the reason that his speech and actions were similar to the speech and actions of Hitler. Ultimately, Trump is at least partially responsible for the emotions that have driven some to target him.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
To think all politicians are authoritarians is in error. They aren't. Authoritarians are controlling, restrict and eliminate freedom amd don't take kindly to criticism. Politicians are shady but not even Nixon is comparable to those like the Kims or Putin when it comes to authoritarianism
They are both fascist scum.
an anarchist
Your local loco.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but when enough people say this aloud, it is no wonder someone took a shot at Trump…
Pogo
Well-Known Member
And who made the speeches and actions that caused people to say this out loud?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Those who triggered the lunatics that tried to assassinate him.
All indications are that Routh was triggered by:
- being turned away by the Ukrainian Army when he travelled there to fight in the war, and
- Trump pulling out of the disarmament treaty with Iran.
So who exactly do you think Trump should sue?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That would be up to Trump to decide. Ask him.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
And who would that be?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
-The Beatles
So when you said "certain people," you didn't have any certain people in mind?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
I don't think you can sue yourself for defamation.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
A minor correction. The Democrats control the Senate, but even with that control they cannot convict Trump since it takes a 2/3 super majority to convict. The House only takes a majority to impeach. But an impeachment is best thought of as an indictment. If the support does not exist in the Senate it will never happen.
That being said there was a huge difference between the two impeachment attempts because the Republicans controlled the Senate in the first one. That went nowhere and was especially ineffective because the Republicans held an obvious kangaroo court where they did not even allow any evidence against Trump to be presented. At least in the second one the hypocrisy of Republicans was made obvious.
Sometimes the victim is to blame,
eg, Trump for creating an environment
of anger, hatred, & bigotry.
You didn't answer my question. Which group did you intend to denote when you referred to "the Left"?
And why them?
"The Left" is self-explanatory. It requires no further clarification. I also have a separate thread regarding "the Right" taking responsibility. Again, these are nothing more than prompts and you are free to interpret and comment however you like (as many have already done).