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Does the new testament contradict itself on the end times?

Johnathan

Member
in the new testament, jesus makes a lot of claims about the so-called end times. xtians would have you believe that it shall come as “a thief in the night,” but a lot of "signs" are given concerning WHEN it would happen. On a close look at the new testament, christ says that his second comming would be fast but mainstream xtianity cops out and claims jesus was talking to his "future" apostles.

Contradictions on Armageddon

1) jesus says to Caiphas that he would live to see his second coming. jesus uses the term “coming on the clouds of heaven”. This clearly negates the “coming” as the resurrection but as a return to the earth on CLOUDS, not his return in human form from the dead. Matthew 26:64 & Mark 14:62.

"But I tell you: FROM NOW ON you will see 'the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming on the clouds of heaven.'" (Matthew 26:64 NAB)

Then jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 NAB)

2) jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime. Matthew 23:36 & 24:34

Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. (Matthew 23:36 NAB)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. "Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Matthew 24:29-35 NAB)

3) YET AGAIN, jesus claims those standing RIGHT BEFORE HIM shall see the Armageddon. Matthew 16:28 “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” Don’t let xtians lie to you and claim jesus was referring to his modern day believers. The words “some standing HERE will not taste death” clearly refutes such nonsense. Obviously the people he was speaking to died, and curiously jesus STILL isn’t here to claim his kingdom.

4) jesus falsely prophesies that the end of the world will come within his listeners’ lifetimes.

Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Mark 13:30-31 NAB)
He also said to them, "Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come in power." (Mark 9:1 NAB)

5) jesus falsely predicts that some of his listeners would live to see him return and establish the kingdom of God.

"Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 NAB)

6) jesus implies that he will return to earth during the lifetime of John. (John 21:22)

7) jesus says that all that he describes (his return, signs in the sun, moon, wars, stars, etc.) will occur within the lifetime of his listeners. He purposely defines their generation and NOT a future one. Considering that NONE of those signs took place during the resurrection and that he uses the term of “Heaven and earth shall pass away”, Clearly jesus is prophesizing that nearly 2,000 years ago Armageddon SHOULD have occurred. Luke 21:25-33

"There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on earth nations will be in dismay, perplexed by the roaring of the sea and the waves. People will die of fright in anticipation of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand." He taught them a lesson. "Consider the fig tree and all the other trees. When their buds burst open, you see for yourselves and know that summer is now near; in the same way, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Luke 21:25-33 NAB)

[Editor's note: Matthew 10:23 also has jesus telling his disciples that the second coming will occur before the disciples finish preaching in Israel: "When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23 NAB)]

John’s Predictions

8) John believes “the time is at hand,” and that the things that he writes about in Revelation will “shortly come to pass.” Revelations 1:1-3

9) John quotes jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 22:7, 12 & 20

10) John thinks he is living in “the last times.” He “knows” this because he sees so many antichrists around. 1 John 2:18

11) John says that the antichrist was already present at the time 1 John was written. 1 John 4:3

12) John quotes jesus (1900 years ago) as saying he will come “quickly.” Revelations 3:11, 22:7, 12 & 20



Paul’s Predictions

13) Paul thought that the end was near and that jesus would return soon after he wrote these words. Philippians 4:5

14) Paul believes he is living in the “last days.” Hebrews 1:2

15) Paul believed that jesus would come “in a little while, and will not tarry.” Hebrews 10:37

16) In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Paul stated: “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: And the dead Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: And so shall we ever be with the Lord.” Paul shared the delusion, taught by jesus, in that he expected to be snatched up bodily into heaven with other saints then living, who would, thus, never taste death. The use of “we” clearly proves as much. It is difficult to deny that Paul was certain that the end of the world was coming in the lifetime of his contemporaries.

Other Prophecies About Armageddon:

17) james thought that jesus would return soon. James 5:8

18) peter wrongly believed that he was living in the “last times” and that “the end of all things is at hand.” 1 Peter 1:20 & 4:7
 

blackout

Violet.
What of the idea that the Kingdom of God is a "here, now" experience,
that some people (but not all people) experience, in this lifetime.
(ie, their own lifetime/before they 'taste death')

As well, what generation has not seen people perplexed and dismayed by "the roaring sea and waves".
Every generation has it's own "The end of the world is coming" doomsdayers,
with their signs and their fright of anticipation,
all "confirmed" by the eathquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis etc etc that EVERY generation sees.

"This generation will not pass until these things have taken place"
is not contradictory if you consider that "this generation" applies to EVERY generation.

These were my thoughts when I last called mySelf a christian.
Hope I have not disrepected the DIR by posting my considerations
 

Faxecura

Member
In response to your wall of text (which was plagiarized from a certain site, as a google search confirms), I will make a few points

First off, the "Kingdom of God" refers to the CHURCH, which Christ established in his lifetime, and does not refer to the second coming. When he told his followers that they would see the "Kingdom of God," he refers to them witnessing the beginnings of the Church.

Also when Christ said "generation" it was rendered in Greek as γενεὰ (genea), which sounds similar to "generation," which is derived from the same root word as to the word γενóς (genos) meaning race or stock of people. So Christ refers to the original Jewish people, and not to that specific generation.gl
 

SCHIZO

Active Member
There is no end of the world. Revelation is a book of garbage that plays into fear in order to make men believe. Christ has no authority to "end a world".
 

SCHIZO

Active Member
In response to your wall of text (which was plagiarized from a certain site, as a google search confirms), I will make a few points

First off, the "Kingdom of God" refers to the CHURCH, which Christ established in his lifetime, and does not refer to the second coming. When he told his followers that they would see the "Kingdom of God," he refers to them witnessing the beginnings of the Church.

Also when Christ said "generation" it was rendered in Greek as γενεὰ (genea), which sounds similar to "generation," which is derived from the same root word as to the word γενóς (genos) meaning race or stock of people. So Christ refers to the original Jewish people, and not to that specific generation.gl

The kingdom of God refers to the Spirit not the church. It is the Spirit that lives inside me not an institution.
 

ForeverFaithful

Son Worshiper
There is no end of the world. Revelation is a book of garbage that plays into fear in order to make men believe. Christ has no authority to "end a world".

A bit sharp eh? like him or hate him, Christ claimed to have authority to say whatever but he also claimed that no man will no the hour, including the angels and the SON, but only the father.
 
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