Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
whats the same thing?
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Does the Qur'an say that the bible is corrupted
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
the Quran does not say the bible is corrupted. It says those teaching it corrupted the message.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
How is that the same?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Its subtle, its there, just open your eye's.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Christians and Jews, according to what Muhammad wrote in the Koran, are also Muslim and are to be treated with respect for they all submit to the same god.
Muslims, universally, accept Jesus as a prophet (to deny Jesus is to deny a prophet of God). Many Muslims read to Bible to know Jesus' moral teachings. They obviously do not accept the death and resurrection part, but they still read the Bible to learn from it.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf; Christians and Jews, according to what Muhammad wrote in the Koran, are also Muslim and are to be treated with respect for they all submit to the same god.
In that case, Muslims are also Christians who have lost the truth, the same way as Christians being Muslims who have lost the truth, we have to be fair here.
In that case, Muslims are also Christians who have lost the truth, the same way as Christians being Muslims who have lost the truth, we have to be fair here.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
It is corrupted as mentioned in the noble Qur'an.
Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)
And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! (Quran 3:187)
In Hadith the corruption of previous books are mentioned
Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136) (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 12)
Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)
We have no need of the bible when the Noble Qur'an is with us, protected by Allah the Most High from distortion.
Can ye (o ye men of Faith) entertain the hope that they will believe in you?- Seeing that a party of them heard the Word of Allah, and perverted it knowingly after they understood it… Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. (Quran 2:75,79)
And remember Allah took a covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it; but they threw it away behind their backs, and purchased with it some miserable gain! And vile was the bargain they made! (Quran 3:187)
In Hadith the corruption of previous books are mentioned
Narrated Abu Huraira: The people of the Scripture (Jews) used to recite the Torah in Hebrew and they used to explain it in Arabic to the Muslims. On that Allah's Apostle said, "Do not believe the people of the Scripture or disbelieve them, but say:-- "We believe in Allah and what is revealed to us." (2.136) (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 12)
Narrated Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas said, "Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!" (Bukhari Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)
We have no need of the bible when the Noble Qur'an is with us, protected by Allah the Most High from distortion.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes and this what other religions believe about their own scriptures, that their God has protected it, to me its all arrogance.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Ofcourse, and they have the right to believe so.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
So you don't believe your book is above other scriptures, that it is more holier ?.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
I believe in the uncorrupted Torah/Gospel and all books revealed to the prophets of Allah. Now the noble Qur'an is sufficient for us as guide and the sunnah of the prophet Muhammad salallahu aleyhi wassalam. Qur'an is without doubt protected from any harm and corruption.
Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (3:84)
Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." (3:84)
McBell
Unbound
Really?
So you are saying the differences in the various versions of the Koran are approved by Allah?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
You say you believe in the other scriptures, but all you do really is cherry pick, just like most religions. you can never be wrong that way can you ?.
forth and five
Member
just curious, maybe we could also ask some Christians in 2:75 to 79 where it said they said this is from Allah, do Christians say "this is from Allah or do Muslims make that statement?