Does theism lead to immoral behaviour?

[1213]

You are so sure it's all wrong but
have not one specific.
The history of it though was geologists
in Scotland examining landforms in the
assumptio it was flood- formed found out
it was glaciers.
Others findings incl that there would be
a " flood layer" distinct in the earths strata
around the world. No such thing exists.

And of course glaciers predate any
" flood".
How is it that you can actually believe
you know more geology than any geologist on earth?

I believe the glaciers were the result of the great flood. It cooled earth causing ice age. So, it is possible that some geological findings are because of the ice.

I don't think it is reasonable to assume one uniform flood layer in massive global event, because earth was not necessary uniform before the flood.

 

[Audie]

I believe the glaciers were the result of the great flood. It cooled earth causing ice age. So, it is possible that some geological findings are because of the ice.

I don't think it is reasonable to assume one uniform flood layer in massive global event, because earth was not necessary uniform before the flood.

So when do you think there was a flood,how long ago do you think glaciers were formed?

I didn't say anything about a " uniform" flood layer.
Of coursec here would not be.
Highly varied erosion and depositions environments.

But- same- age flood erosion and deposition would
be very abundant, world wide, including in lakes and the sea bed

But no such thing exists.

It's a bit like believing a million buffalo stampeded
thro' your neighborhood and left not a tranpled daisy
to show they'd passed.

 

[1213]

So when do you think there was a flood,how long ago do you think glaciers were formed?

I don't know how long ago it was. But, I believe the glaciers were formed fast during the ice age.

Reason why I think it was fast is this kind of frozen creatures trapped in ice.

Frozen in time: 5 prehistoric creatures found trapped in ice

 

[Audie]

I don't know how long ago it was. But, I believe the glaciers were formed fast during the ice age.

Reason why I think it was fast is this kind of frozen creatures trapped in ice.

Frozen in time: 5 prehistoric creatures found trapped in ice

An odd " reaspn to believe" as none of those are even found in glaciers. Frozen soil, not " ice".

Then too, actual study rather than just
" believing" for no reason, shows Antarctic ice
is well over 100,000 years old.

Fast, as geological time goes. But probably not what
you meant

And no geological evidence anywhere of any biblical
flood.

Is that fact simply to be ignored?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think it is not possible to give general answer to this. If you want an answer, please give one example of finding, then I can explain the point.

You're saying everything about geology is wrong, as currently understood by geologists.

 

[1213]

You're saying everything about geology is wrong, as currently understood by geologists.

No I am not. There are many thing that can be correct.

 

[1213]

And no geological evidence anywhere of any biblical
flood.

Evidence for the great flood would be:
1. Oil, gas and coal fields
2. Massive sedimentary formations
3. Modern continents
4. Marine fossils on high mountains
5. Ice age and great glaciers
6. Stories about it all over the world

I think all of those exist, therefore I think your claim is false.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No I am not. There are many thing that can be correct.

But you are. You disagree completely with all available geologic data. Geologists most definitely do not agree with you on the age of the earth. Or about a global flood.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Evidence for the great flood would be:
1. Oil, gas and coal fields
2. Massive sedimentary formations
3. Modern continents
4. Marine fossils on high mountains
5. Ice age and great glaciers
6. Stories about it all over the world

I think all of those exist, therefore I think your claim is false.

How and why do you consider those evidence for a global flood?

Did you know it takes millions of years for coal and oil to form from organic material? That one alone kind of knocks your beliefs out of the water.

Coal

Coal is a nonrenewable fossil fuel that is combusted and used to generate electricity. Mining techniques and combustion are both dangerous to miners and hazardous to the environment; however, coal accounts for about half of the electricity generation in the United States.

education.nationalgeographic.org

Coal formation - Energy Education

energyeducation.ca

 

[Audie]

Evidence for the great flood would be:
1. Oil, gas and coal fields
2. Massive sedimentary formations
3. Modern continents
4. Marine fossils on high mountains
5. Ice age and great glaciers
6. Stories about it all over the world

I think all of those exist, therefore I think your claim is false.

No, you believe you know the True meaning
of the bible, and that's the "therefore", because you
know literally less than nothing about geology and
have no capacity whatsoever to judge anything about
geological formations. So don't attempt misleading
claims about yourself. It's faith, not facts.

To make the fine and complex structure found in sedimentary rock with a flood would be comperable to the " tornado make 747 from junkyard " that creos are so
fond of. Far beyond the proximal limits of impossible.

But again, you havent a clue what I am talking about
speaking of fine detail and complex structure so it goes
over your head, conveniently ignored.

Like you bringing up " glacier " ignoring my comment on their age and oblivious to how Antarctic ice alone
disproves your " flood".

 

[ChristineM]

Oil, gas and coal fields

Millions of years old, the majority of which formed in the mesozoic era, between 65 and 250 million years before humans evolved.

Massive sedimentary formations

Formed by compression of earth on top, water is too light to compress the deposits

Modern continents

Began to form about 180 million years ago, again long before humans evolved.

Marine fossils on high mountains

Continued from above
They are still on the move, for example the indian continent is still moving into the Asian continent and in doing so pushing what once was ocean floor between the contents up, forming the Himalayas and taking the marine fossils with them.

. Ice age and great glaciers

The ice age would have the opposite effect of flood by freezing the water and concentrating it in ice. Of course when the ice age is over the water will melt raising sea levels. But certainly not by the amount described in the bible.

Stories about it all over the world

Continued from above
Stories of floods, not a world wide flood. Sea levels rose flooding coastal land. It didn't rise to 15 cubits over the highest mountain.

 

[Heyo]

Evidence for the great flood would be:

I think you need to learn what evidence is.
Evidence for a flood would be anything that is predicted by the YEC view but not by geologists.

1. Oil, gas and coal fields
2. Massive sedimentary formations
3. Modern continents
4. Marine fossils on high mountains
5. Ice age and great glaciers

All of this is explained by geology. That's why oil companies hire geologists to find oil, gas and coal fields, not YEC. They can predict where oil will be found according to their models. What says the Bible of where to drill for oil?

 

[1213]

Millions of years old, the majority of which formed in the mesozoic era, between 65 and 250 million years before humans evolved.
...
Began to form about 180 million years ago, again long before humans evolved.
....

Sorry, I don't believe those claims.

The ice age would have the opposite effect of flood by freezing the water and concentrating it in ice. Of course when the ice age is over the water will melt raising sea levels. But certainly not by the amount described in the bible.

The ice age begun after the 40 rain season was over and dry land had sunken. It is one reason why the water level begun to go down after the flood.

 

[1213]

How and why do you consider those evidence for a global flood?

Because they are logical consequences of the event. By what the Bible tells, there was one continent at the beginning. below it was vast amount of water. When the flood came, it was because that continent was broken and its pieces sunk and formed modern continents. The continent was maybe broken by huge meteor (possibly that what made Chicxulub crater).

And if vast amount of organic material sunk, it would obviously have caused very large gas, oil and coal formations.

And, if water covered the whole dry land, all kind of sea creatures could have been on the areas that are now high above sea level.

Did you know it takes millions of years for coal and oil to form from organic material?

Sorry, I don't believe that.

 

[ChristineM]

Sorry, I don't believe those claims

I don't really care what you believe, the geological evidence is sound

The ice age begun after the 40 rain season was over and dry land had sunken. It is one reason why the water level begun to go down after the flood

Sorry, I don't believe that claim. Again, the geological (and astronomical) evidence is sound

 

[Audie]

Sorry, I don't believe those claims.

The ice age begun after the 40 rain season was over and dry land had sunken. It is one reason why the water level begun to go down after the flood.

Why do you feel so free to invent
fiction and present it as fact?

It's how religions generally are invented,
of course, so maybe there is some connection.

 

[Audie]

I don't really care what you believe, the geological evidence is sound



Sorry, I don't believe thay claim. Again, the geological (and astronomical) evidence is sound

YOU MEAN TO SAY that 100,000 and more
distinct layers in the ice, each a distinguishable le
as layers of paint could not be formed by
rain?

Amusingly, persons equally Inspired with Truth from God,
hold that the I e survived the flood instead of
floating off because, yes, it was frozen down

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because they are logical consequences of the event. By what the Bible tells, there was one continent at the beginning. below it was vast amount of water. When the flood came, it was because that continent was broken and its pieces sunk and formed modern continents. The continent was maybe broken by huge meteor (possibly that what made Chicxulub crater).

And if vast amount of organic material sunk, it would obviously have caused very large gas, oil and coal formations.

And, if water covered the whole dry land, all kind of sea creatures could have been on the areas that are now high above sea level.

Sorry, I don't believe that.

Then it's like I said in the first place - you simply reject science in favour of your Bible stories. Geologists do not agree with you that there was a global flood and that the earth isn't billions of years old. The evidence does not agree with you that there was a global flood and that the earth isn't billions of years old. In order to believe that, you have to dismiss the findings from multiple different fields of science, which you claim you don't do but then just did again here with geology.

Coal and oil take millions of years to develop. Your response doesn't address that fact. You seem to be asserting that it happens more quickly than that, but provide zero evidence for that that claim. Meanwhile, the geologists have actually shown us what the evidence is for their claims.

Why anyone would want to rely on unproven stories in an old book instead of demonstrable, verifiable, testable evidence, is beyond me. But as a person who wants to believe in as many true things as possible while not believing in as many false things as possible, I don't find that helpful in achieving that goal.

 

[1213]

Coal and oil take millions of years to develop. ....

Scientists Turn Algae Into Crude Oil In Less Than An Hour

Researchers believe they have figured out a way to make a promising biofuel that is cheap enough to compete with gasoline

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Heyo]

Scientists Turn Algae Into Crude Oil In Less Than An Hour

Researchers believe they have figured out a way to make a promising biofuel that is cheap enough to compete with gasoline

www.smithsonianmag.com

"Researchers believe they have figured out a way to make a promising biofuel that is cheap enough to compete with gasoline"
I guess their belief wasn't strong enough. The article is from 2013, do you have bio fuel in your tank?