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Does Your Vote Count?

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
The Electoral College (EC) has been around since the founding of the USA, and it is the EC that actually elects the president, not the popular vote. The electors are supposed to vote the way the popular vote within the state voted, but in some states it is not the law. In those states where it is the law, the penalty for casting an "off vote" is usually just a fine (that donors would pay).

Under the EC system, it is actually the states (as a republic) that decide the election. That is why a candidate could win the popular vote but lose the election. They could carry states with higher populations like CA or NY, but the number of states actually won could be less than the other candidate(s).

Then comes the question that the OP is actually about: does your vote count?

Under the EC system, the answer is MAYBE. That is because if your candidate won the state, then yes, your vote counted. If your candidate did not win the state, then no, your vote does not count. Let me explain this further.

Using California 2016 as the example, around 33% (1 in 3) of CA voters chose Trump. However, CA tends to be a liberal state, so Hillary actually won the state (62%) and got all 55 electoral votes. That 33% was not represented in the outcome for CA.

There is another way to look at it. The black population in the US makes up around 13% of the total population, while whites make up around 77%. Just as an example, let's say 8% of blacks can legally vote (factoring out minors, etc.), Out of that 77% of whites, all it takes is 9% to vote opposite the black voters, and the black vote is effectively wiped out and meaningless.

Some will say to do away with the EC completely and just let the popular vote decide elections. Under this scenario, then yes, every single vote would count, and it would not matter where you lived. The problem is that mathematically, candidates could only focus on the highest population centers and ignore the rest of the country. Some states would not be touched by the campaign trail. The candidates would never speak to them. Of course it would also mean that we would no longer be a republic, as was founded by our Forefathers.

So, remedies?

One option I have seen is to give every state 100 electoral votes (EV). Using CA again as the example, the 33% that was not represented would now be represented with 33 EV. Hillary would be given 62 EV and the other candidates would get some small percentage divided among themselves. The first candidate to 2501 EV, wins!

Very simple, all votes matter, and the states still elect with an adjusted EC for modern times, thus preserving the republic!

Edit: this also means people need to actually vote. It is estimated that 90,000,000 people did NOT vote in the 2016 presidential election.
 
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Sha'irullah

رسول الآلهة
To add race to voting is like asking for segregation on the basis that looking at whites makes you sneeze.
It is racist in every sense of the word to have race be a factor in voting. The intent of the EC is to ensure every state has a say so and does not get overwhelmed by higher density states where a specific ideological preference will be favored. The EC as it stands nullifies this effect already.
Liberals are just angry that they could get the kind of racist they wanted in office to begin with so race must now be used as a playing card in the most deceptive manner possible. Trump one, freedom sings; bigotry was defeated, oppression mourns. End of story.

But I will say that I do not believe in the EC as a formality of my principles. I do not think any overarching federal power should even have the sort of powers it does now. It is ludicrous that states are treats as gigantic cesspools for political left-wing dumpings. Some people do not wish to be involved in your affairs and want to be respected and left out of matters they do not believe in.
So as for the EC being valid, I would say but it is a necessary evil as of now.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
It is estimated that 90,000,000 people did NOT vote in the 2016 presidential election.

Correction...after looking at some resource sites, it seems 92+ million people did not vote. That is around 40% of registered voters.

If "Did Not Vote" was a candidate, they would have destroyed both Trump and Clinton!

That's...sad.
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
What's sad is the super rich rules America. It doesn't matter whether you're Republican or Democrat voter. Trump had his cabinet realigned by the powers that be, so it's not recognizable any more.

To answer the question, your vote doesn't really count unless your candidate wins and you win the issues that are important to you. I could've voted for Obama in my state, but Clinton still would've won. The winner was called a couple minutes after the polls closed.

As for the people who didn't vote, that was their choice so they voted by not voting. What's important is there was a vote and it was done legally (which wasn't in some of the districts).
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I prefer Maine's way of distribution. The electoral college votes are divided by congressional division's in the state and 1 vote is given to the overall popular candidate. It might be tricky depending on the number of votes a state gets and the number of congressional districts the state has but it should be workable.

NJ my state has 11 congressional districts and gets 14 electoral college votes. 1 vote would go to the presidential victor in each district and then 3 votes to the popular victor.

This insures that you could not take for granted victory in any state.
 

Carl W.

Member
It's amazing to me that there are so many whining juvenile minded
people crying the blues because Hillary lost.
One moron vowed to cut off his penis if Trump really builds
"the wall."
We had an election. One person lost, one person, won.
Get over it.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm majority vote personally but I see the valid points made for EC. If the founding fathers implemted it, then there are good reasons. It stays.

Trump won fair and square. The country has spoken.

I'm with Carl. Get over it.

If Trump doesn't work out then there's always next election.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Correction...after looking at some resource sites, it seems 92+ million people did not vote. That is around 40% of registered voters.

If "Did Not Vote" was a candidate, they would have destroyed both Trump and Clinton!

That's...sad.
Apathy is a two way street no doubt. Its why I stopped being apathetic, got off my toosh, and voted the past two elections.
 

Carl W.

Member
@Nowhere Man

A great response.
Why the looser persist in whining is beyond me.
I'm on other boards, religious and out doors forums.
The whining is sickening betrays lack of intellect and respect
for the American electoral process.
One fellow threatens to cut off his pee pee.
Well maybe he should.
 

Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
@Nowhere Man

A great response.
Why the looser persist in whining is beyond me.
I'm on other boards, religious and out doors forums.
The whining is sickening betrays lack of intellect and respect
for the American electoral process.
One fellow threatens to cut off his pee pee.
Well maybe he should.

What? o_O
 

Carl W.

Member
Come to think of it not because Trump got elected.
He is going to whack it if Trump builds the wall.
I doubt Trump will really build a wall.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
abolish the electoral college
and then mandate voting
and ONLY citizens of 18years of RESIDENCE....may vote
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
What is the thought behind this? Asking before I go further...
deciding the direction of our leadership.... should belong to the people that LIVE here long enough to know the culture and the trends of our life and living

intruding cultures.....are just that

allowing 'newbee's the most serious of influence......is inappropriate

filing a vote with your taxes......gives pause for thought

and it is more likely to be more decisive
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
deciding the direction of our leadership.... should belong to the people that LIVE here long enough to know the culture and the trends of our life and living

intruding cultures.....are just that

allowing 'newbee's the most serious of influence......is inappropriate

filing a vote with your taxes......gives pause for thought

and it is more likely to be more decisive

I feel your numbers can be a bit arbitrary. Not sure if 18 can validate such a theory. Not sure what number will fairly equate to an American culture.

You haven't defined exactly what in the taxes would qualify. That's keeping it very open ended.
 
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