Doesn't that sound like word of God?

[.lava]

Wow, so you had a couple of scietific lines. Congratulations.

Did you know Scientology explains Quantum Mechanics?

what's your point?


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[Ben Masada]

You think that Christianity and Islam murdered your leaders, and not the opposite :faint:

who tought you that??

Read History. Both Islamic and Christian. Especially Christian around the time of the Crusades and Inquisition. I am sure that if pride won't speak louder than commonsense, you will surely change your mind.

Ben

 

[rojse]

Well, I have news for you all: There is a tradition that the Quran was written by the Jews of Medina. It goes thus: Before Muhammad went out on a campain of conquest, he asked the Jewish Schollars of Medina to write a "bible" for Islam. When he returned the Quran was ready. Then Muhammad ordered the killing of all of them and had some learnt Muslims interpolate the parts against the Jews.

Well my friend, if it's a lie, it's of the guy who wrote it. It has been some time. I wish I could provide you with the source. Then again, what's the big deal? The Jews wrote the "New Testament" too.

Making harsh accusations against the leader of a religion without having any source to verify them in any manner whatsoever is a big deal by anyone's standards.

And not only accusations but murdering our leaders as Christianity and Islam have done throughout our History, how do you estimate the proportion of that deal, big or small?

Nice try at a redirect, but that wasn't anything like what I said.

You claimed that Jews fabricated the Quran, and that Mohammed then ordered these Jews killed. You then asked what the big deal was.

The big deal is that you are making quite serious accusations against an entire religion without referencing any source, and without evidence.

The size of what I think the deal to be is irrelevant here. What is relevant is whether you will continue to make accusations that you cannot support, and support those you have made already, or not.

 

[rojse]

Read History. Both Islamic and Christian. Especially Christian around the time of the Crusades and Inquisition. I am sure that if pride won't speak louder than commonsense, you will surely change your mind.

Ben

Let's see... a Christian jihad to liberate a holy land, fighting Islamic people, Jews, and many other opponents, recruiting tens of thousands of recruits, against your accusation that Islam had Jews create a document representing their ideas, and then killing the authors in secret?

No, I don't see any comparison either.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Well my friend, if it's a lie, it's of the guy who wrote it. It has been some time. I wish I could provide you with the source.

Few posts so clearly exemplify gross irresponsibility.

 

[Ben Masada]

Let's see... a Christian jihad to liberate a holy land, fighting Islamic people, Jews, and many other opponents, recruiting tens of thousands of recruits, against your accusation that Islam had Jews create a document representing their ideas, and then killing the authors in secret?

No, I don't see any comparison either.

The Jews were not at war with the Crusaders, who started killing them from the onset still in Europe on their way to the Holy Land. Their motif was "why go so far to kill the enemies of our Lord when they are right here?" Then, the slaughtering started of men, women and children. That's from a book "The Crusades." And that's right that it was a Christian jihad to liberate the Holy Land, which started by liberating Europe from the Jews as Hitler attempted with his "Final Solution."

Ben

 

[Right_Path]

The Jews were not at war with the Crusaders, who started killing them from the onset still in Europe on their way to the Holy Land. Their motif was "why go so far to kill the enemies of our Lord when they are right here?" Then, the slaughtering started of men, women and children. That's from a book "The Crusades." And that's right that it was a Christian jihad to liberate the Holy Land, which started by liberating Europe from the Jews as Hitler attempted with his "Final Solution."

Ben

I think you are way off topic....and way of the truth.

Did you know that Jews have killed several God-sent prophets after Moses...and that they were aiming to kill Jesus.

N.B...when I say JEWS, i don't mean all Jews, cause there were good Jews...i.e. Moses followers.

 

[Caladan]

Right Path,

Be careful what your aiming for with your words, need I remind you that Muhammad had to face fierce hostility from the tribes around Mecca? that Muhammad and his followers had to leave to Medina for the persecution they have experienced from the Arabs?
I will give you a friendly warning that the stigma of the Jews as prophet killers is no different than the Christian blood label of old of the Jews as Christ Killers, it is anti semitic, I'd like to assume that your remarks are a result of stereotypical ignorance, rather than guided anti semitism, I suppose you will have to make me know for sure which is the case.

 

[Ben Masada]

I think you are way off topic....and way of the truth.

Did you know that Jews have killed several God-sent prophets after Moses...and that they were aiming to kill Jesus.

N.B...when I say JEWS, i don't mean all Jews, cause there were good Jews...i.e. Moses followers.

I don't deny that some Prophets were killed by the kings or their consortes. However, it does not mean that the Jewish People killed their Prophets as the NT antisemitic writers like to brag with the purpose to enhance the false accusation that the Jews killed Jesus. It doesn't work anymore. Pope John XXIII have already apologized to the Jewish People in the name of Christianity by confessing that it was a false accusation as a result of Antisemitism.

Ben:clap

 

[.lava]

yes, it is sensitive issue. we should be careful. besides, every tribe called messengers 'liars' and many killed them, not just Jewish people. past is in the past and it should stay there anyway.


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[Ben Masada]

yes, it is sensitive issue. we should be careful. besides, every tribe called messengers 'liars' and many killed them, not just Jewish people. past is in the past and it should stay there anyway.

If we forget the past, we might have it repeated.

Ben

 

[.lava]

If we forget the past, we might have it repeated.

Ben

and what happens if we live in the past and hold child responsible of his father's actions?


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[Ben Masada]

and what happens if we live in the past and hold child responsible of his father's actions?

I think you have got something very interesting with that statement above, but I am
sorry to say, I didn't understand. Can you make it a little clear? I would indeed like to
understand it.

Ben

 

[.lava]

I think you have got something very interesting with that statement above, but I am
sorry to say, I didn't understand. Can you make it a little clear? I would indeed like to
understand it.

Ben

nothing special. you said if we forget the past it might repeat and i asked what happens if we live the past as if it is present. if we did, then we would blame child for what his father did. hope it is clear cos i do not know how to say more clear, sorry.


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[Ben Masada]

nothing special. you said if we forget the past it might repeat and i asked what happens if we live the past as if it is present. if we did, then we would blame child for what his father did. hope it is clear cos i do not know how to say more clear, sorry.


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Thanks a lot Pal, it's all clear. You are right if it was possible to happen they way
you put it. But in our case, only the memory of the past must live in the present, so
that the past be forbidden to happen again.

Ben

 

[rojse]

The Jews were not at war with the Crusaders, who started killing them from the onset still in Europe on their way to the Holy Land. Their motif was "why go so far to kill the enemies of our Lord when they are right here?" Then, the slaughtering started of men, women and children. That's from a book "The Crusades." And that's right that it was a Christian jihad to liberate the Holy Land, which started by liberating Europe from the Jews as Hitler attempted with his "Final Solution."

Ben

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims, though campaigns were also directed against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians and political enemies of the popes

 

[rojse]

and what happens if we live in the past and hold child responsible of his father's actions?

And what if we don't live in the past, and learn from the mistakes of other people and cultures?

I think that some balance has to be struck, as always.

 

[Right_Path]

Right Path,

Be careful what your aiming for with your words, need I remind you that Muhammad had to face fierce hostility from the tribes around Mecca? that Muhammad and his followers had to leave to Medina for the persecution they have experienced from the Arabs?
I will give you a friendly warning that the stigma of the Jews as prophet killers is no different than the Christian blood label of old of the Jews as Christ Killers, it is anti semitic, I'd like to assume that your remarks are a result of stereotypical ignorance, rather than guided anti semitism, I suppose you will have to make me know for sure which is the case.

No no no...nothing like anti-semitism...i am speaking Quran...it says that several prophets were killed by SOME David's sons after Moses.

and remember...i said SOME JEWS...not Jews.

anyways guys lets get back to topic please

 

[Ben Masada]

And what if we don't live in the past, and learn from the mistakes of other people and cultures?

I think that some balance has to be struck, as always.

We don't have to live in the past. But we ought not to let the past be erased from our memory. That's already somehow a compromising attitude for the sake of a balance.

Ben

 

[Don Penguinoini]

what's your point?


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My point is that is is stupid to say that the word of Islam is true because you had some scientific verses. Science does not mean the religion is right.

If there a scientifically stupid religion which promoted peace and a very scientific religion that promoted destruction, which would you rather believe. What does science do? Nothing. It is a fake tag that religions grab to make it look like they have a hold in your life.