Donald Trump approves mass killing of Muslims !

[Mindmaster]

Good question. I guess one wouldn't put it past Trump to persecute American Muslims.

Just to clarify, it doesn't work that way here. Trump can hate all the Muslims he wants, and we have had several racist Presidents in the past. Just because they feel this way doesn't mean that they get free freaking reign with everything. It isn't gonna change any of our laws, because it hasn't in the past. Basically, Muslims have nothing to fear since our congress makes these laws... Not, the Prez.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

For the record, what Trump is proposing is a War Crime.

Why? I mean, let's say there's a bit of due process, and so it's multiple death penalties with a bit of added flavour, what is the war crime?

 

[Imaginary_Friends]

"More civil liberties" than an entire religious group's right to enter a country?

There's the flaw in your thought process. It is a privilege not a right to immigrate into the Unites States. The level of entitlement is absolutely astonishing nowadays.

Just to clarify, it doesn't work that way here. Trump can hate all the Muslims he wants, and we have had several racist Presidents in the past. Just because they feel this way doesn't mean that they get free freaking reign with everything. It isn't gonna change any of our laws, because it hasn't in the past. Basically, Muslims have nothing to fear since our congress makes these laws... Not, the Prez.

What law would Trump have to change? As president, he/ she can disallow immigrants from countries he/ she deems a threat to national security. Trump can disallow immigration from predominantly Muslim countries and still achieve more or less the same effect. Carter did so with Iran. The point here is to mitigate the likelihood of a terror attack until a more effective vetting process can be implemented.

Does anyone actually listen to what is said or just run with what they want to perceive?

Trump: Let's ban Muslim immigrants until we can develop a effective vetting process.
Liberal viewer: Trump hates Muslims and wants to intern American Muslims like they did to the Japanese!

Trump: Let's deport illegal aliens, control our borders and make sure people come in legally.
Liberal viewer: Trump hates all Mexicans!

 

[Daniel-David-Joseph]

Democrats & lefties will insult him & anyone who favors him with wild histrionics & powerful sanctimony.
But what is the record?

This is why (see poll quote below) Democrats and lefties along with a significant number of Republicans, moderates and independents have a problem with Donald Trump and his supporters. If you look at who they are and what they believe their passionate reaction seems less like “wild histrionics & powerful sanctimony” than an appropriate, rational response to reactionary ugliness, nativist hysteria, homophobia and religious bigotry. The “wild histrionics & powerful sanctimony” of a man who predicts the “end of America” (unless he’s elected) are what we should be disgusted with.

“Trump's support in South Carolina is built on a base of voters among whom religious and racial intolerance pervades. Among the beliefs of his supporters:

-70% think the Confederate flag should still be flying over the State Capital, to only 20% who agree with it being taken down. In fact 38% of Trump voters say they wish the South had won the Civil War to only 24% glad the North won and 38% who aren't sure. Overall just 36% of Republican primary voters in the state are glad the North emerged victorious to 30% for the South, but Trump's the only one whose supporters actually wish the South had won.

-By an 80/9 spread, Trump voters support his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States. In fact 31% would support a ban on homosexuals entering the United States as well, something no more than 17% of anyone else's voters think is a good idea. There's also 62/23 support among Trump voters for creating a national database of Muslims and 40/36 support for shutting down all the mosques in the United States, something no one else's voters back. Only 44% of Trump voters think the practice of Islam should even be legal at all in the United States, to 33% who think it should be illegal. To put all the views toward Muslims in context though, 32% of Trump voters continue to believe the policy of Japanese internment during World War II was a good one, compared to only 33% who oppose it and 35% who have no opinion one way or another.” http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/02/trump-clinton-still-have-big-sc-leads.html

Does anyone actually listen to what is said or just run with what they want to perceive?

We're listening and we're reading and we're understanding.

 

[Revoltingest]

This is why (see poll quote below) Democrats and lefties along with a significant number of Republicans, moderates and independents have a problem with Donald Trump and his supporters. If you look at who they are and what they believe their passionate reaction seems less like “wild histrionics & powerful sanctimony” than an appropriate, rational response to reactionary ugliness, nativist hysteria, homophobia and religious bigotry. The “wild histrionics & powerful sanctimony” of a man who predicts the “end of America” (unless he’s elected) are what we should be disgusted with.

“Trump's support in South Carolina is built on a base of voters among whom religious and racial intolerance pervades. Among the beliefs of his supporters:

-70% think the Confederate flag should still be flying over the State Capital, to only 20% who agree with it being taken down. In fact 38% of Trump voters say they wish the South had won the Civil War to only 24% glad the North won and 38% who aren't sure. Overall just 36% of Republican primary voters in the state are glad the North emerged victorious to 30% for the South, but Trump's the only one whose supporters actually wish the South had won.

-By an 80/9 spread, Trump voters support his proposed ban on Muslims entering the United States. In fact 31% would support a ban on homosexuals entering the United States as well, something no more than 17% of anyone else's voters think is a good idea. There's also 62/23 support among Trump voters for creating a national database of Muslims and 40/36 support for shutting down all the mosques in the United States, something no one else's voters back. Only 44% of Trump voters think the practice of Islam should even be legal at all in the United States, to 33% who think it should be illegal. To put all the views toward Muslims in context though, 32% of Trump voters continue to believe the policy of Japanese internment during World War II was a good one, compared to only 33% who oppose it and 35% who have no opinion one way or another.” http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/02/trump-clinton-still-have-big-sc-leads.html

We're listening and we're reading and we're understanding.

When I listen to NPR quoting Trump, & then find the actual quote differs,
I can see why the opposition is so vehement...it's based too much upon spin.
And this continual exhortation that they're smarter & more moral than Trumpies
or Pubs rings so hollow. Whom are they trying to convince?
So many will decry Trump's shortcomings, while ignoring Hillary's. They might
not be enthusiastic for her, but they'll vote for her despite her record of war,
bigotry & authoritarianism. Are they smarter than Trump's supporters?
That would be a hard sell.
So it's best to decry the actual areas of disagreement, rather than attack the
perceived personal traits of the candidates & supporters.

 

[Daniel-David-Joseph]

When I listen to NPR quoting Trump, & then find the actual quote differs,
I can see why the opposition is so vehement...it's based too much upon spin.
And this continual exhortation that they're smarter & more moral than Trumpies
or Pubs rings so hollow. Whom are they trying to convince?

This is not NPR quoting Trump or disparaging his supporters. This is the Trumpie answering questions in a poll. This is the Trumpie in their own words.

 

[Mindmaster]

There's the flaw in your thought process. It is a privilege not a right to immigrate into the Unites States. The level of entitlement is absolutely astonishing nowadays.



What law would Trump have to change? As president, he/ she can disallow immigrants from countries he/ she deems a threat to national security. Trump can disallow immigration from predominantly Muslim countries and still achieve more or less the same effect. Carter did so with Iran. The point here is to mitigate the likelihood of a terror attack until a more effective vetting process can be implemented.

Does anyone actually listen to what is said or just run with what they want to perceive?

Trump: Let's ban Muslim immigrants until we can develop a effective vetting process.
Liberal viewer: Trump hates Muslims and wants to intern American Muslims like they did to the Japanese!

Trump: Let's deport illegal aliens, control our borders and make sure people come in legally.
Liberal viewer: Trump hates all Mexicans!

Trump can't void the bill of rights. Presidents do not have that authority.

Also, I am aware of what Trump has said. He's mostly addressing vetting, illegals, and sensible stuff. We should also be looking at the "pooping babies on our side of the fence" law. That doesn't work in any other country. If you are not a citizen in any EU country and you drop a baby there your baby is not an EU citizen.

 

[Mindmaster]

When I listen to NPR quoting Trump, & then find the actual quote differs,
I can see why the opposition is so vehement...it's based too much upon spin.
And this continual exhortation that they're smarter & more moral than Trumpies
or Pubs rings so hollow. Whom are they trying to convince?
So many will decry Trump's shortcomings, while ignoring Hillary's. They might
not be enthusiastic for her, but they'll vote for her despite her record of war,
bigotry & authoritarianism. Are they smarter than Trump's supporters?
That would be a hard sell.
So it's best to decry the actual areas of disagreement, rather than attack the
perceived personal traits of the candidates & supporters.

I just wanted to add that I agree with you completely about the liberal media. It is absolutely out of control and untrustworthy. They are straight up misquoting 99% of the time, and the rest of the time trying to make Trump look like a xenophobe even though all he's really asked is for more security in the borders, deporting illegals, and that kind of thing. With Muslims, he has only suggested to refuse entry until our background checking improves --- he feels the security of that system is inadequate and is the real problem, but when you have something like that going out of whack you have to stop things for a second and take survey of the mess. His worry there is legit, aka... terrorists and hiding war criminals can easily skate by... I don't think this is xenophobic I just think it's protecting your own.

 

[Yerda]

I think I get it now. Trump waffles incoherently and you all hear what you want to hear.

 

[Daniel-David-Joseph]

When I listen to NPR quoting Trump, & then find the actual quote differs,
I can see why the opposition is so vehement...it's based too much upon spin.
And this continual exhortation that they're smarter & more moral than Trumpies
or Pubs rings so hollow.

One more thought about the unfair disparagement of the "Trumpie" you appear to find so troubling ... They include Nazis like the one (twitter handle @white GenocideTM) Donald Trump retreated recently:

Donald Trumpovitz‏@WhiteGenocideTM

The Banner on Trump fan "White Genocide's" Neo-Nazi Home Page:

 

[Laika]

Why? I mean, let's say there's a bit of due process, and so it's multiple death penalties with a bit of added flavour, what is the war crime?

Executing of prisoners of war violates the Geneva and Hague conventions on the agreed laws of war. Of course, "terrorists" fall in a grey area and so the legal definition of "prisoner of war" can be interpreted as not applicable. But we are talking technicalities here.

As an example, the Japanese Tried and executed allied airmen in world war II and it was still considered a war crime. So even with due process, it violates international law.

 

[Daniel-David-Joseph]

I just wanted to add that I agree with you completely about the liberal media. It is absolutely of control and untrustworthy. They are straight up misquoting 99% of the time

I agree that there is slanting in the media, but it is clearly in both directions. However, the media is not the only party reacting with alarm and distaste to Mr. Trump and his "movement." You may have heard that Pope Francis is not too happy with them either. In addition, Eva Schloss, the 86 year old stepsister of Anne Frank who survived Auschwitz "sees little difference between Hitler's rhetoric and that of aspiring president Donald Trump.

'If Donald Trump become the next president of the US it would be a complete disaster. I think he is acting like another Hitler by inciting racism,' Schloss told Newsweek."

 

[Mindmaster]

I agree that there is slanting in the media, but it is clearly in both directions. However, the media is not the only party reacting with alarm and distaste to Mr. Trump and his "movement." You may have heard that Pope Francis is not too happy with them either. In addition, Eva Schloss, the 86 year old stepsister of Anne Frank who survived Auschwitz "sees little difference between Hitler's rhetoric and that of aspiring president Donald Trump.

'If Donald Trump become the next president of the US it would be a complete disaster. I think he is acting like another Hitler by inciting racism,' Schloss told Newsweek."

I find ceaseless amusement in these comments. They are finally showing their true colors -- they are the puppets of Wall St. and cannot provide unbiased reporting. What are going to do when Trump wins? Their comments are not effecting his vote percentages at all.

 

[Mindmaster]

Executing of prisoners of war violates the Geneva and Hague conventions on the agreed laws of war. Of course, "terrorists" fall in a grey area and so the legal definition of "prisoner of war" can be interpreted as not applicable. But we are talking technicalities here.

As an example, the Japanese Tried and executed allied airmen in world war II and it was still considered a war crime. So even with due process, it violates international law.

Since Bush was President terrorists are "unlawful combatants", that's to say they act without the authority of a state. This, Geneva conventions do not apply, and the allied of the US (which is most of NATO/UN) aren't going to argue. Obama dropped the "enemy combatant" moniker from them (it used to be duo), and thus they are still in limbo. A state, which some could argue., that is worse than death mostly.

 

[Mindmaster]

I think I get it now. Trump waffles incoherently and you all hear what you want to hear.

Are you watching his speeches or the soundbytes? He doesn't seem incoherent to me when he talks at the speeches. Honestly, I don't want to argue. But, at least in this election the corruption of the press is completely evident. I'm not even conservative nor do I like Trump. It's just so outlandish and ridiculous you have to be deaf, dumb, or blind not to notice.

 

[Laika]

Since Bush was President terrorists are "unlawful combatants", that's to say they act without the authority of a state. This, Geneva conventions do not apply, and the allied of the US (which is most of NATO/UN) aren't going to argue. Obama dropped the "enemy combatant" moniker from them (it used to be duo), and thus they are still in limbo. A state, which some could argue., that is worse than death mostly.

Yeah. I knew about that but couldn't remember what the term they invented for it was. It is a tragic irony, but all the moral outrage against Trump is really because he is telling the truth about what we are already doing. we've betrayed our ideals and system of government that much that the only reason it has credability is because we are constantly being lied to. that is hard to swallow.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think I get it now. Trump waffles incoherently and you all hear what you want to hear.

When I look at the transcripts (instead of inferences) of what Trump says, I don't like that either.
I object to altering what he says (while campaigning) for purposes of demonization.
Oddly, what doesn't often come up here is his position on issues.
I read some. Ew.

 

[Revoltingest]

One more thought about the unfair disparagement of the "Trumpie" you appear to find so troubling ... They include Nazis like the one (twitter handle @white GenocideTM) Donald Trump retreated recently:

Donald Trumpovitz‏@WhiteGenocideTM

The Banner on Trump fan "White Genocide's" Neo-Nazi Home Page:

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I'm all for disparagement.
But I think it should be reasonable.
(There's so much to dislike about The Donald, that nothing need be invented.)
You can find crazies who support him.
If this is a significant standard, then doesn't it apply to other candidates, eg, Hillary, Bernie?

We Libertarians have been thru this in every recent election too.
I hear about how some white supremecist supports us, so we're the racist skinhead party.
What would you say if some rep of NAMBLA gave money to the Democrats?
Would you let it define the party?

 

[Yerda]

Are you watching his speeches or the soundbytes? He doesn't seem incoherent to me when he talks at the speeches. Honestly, I don't want to argue. But, at least in this election the corruption of the press is completely evident. I'm not even conservative nor do I like Trump. It's just so outlandish and ridiculous you have to be deaf, dumb, or blind not to notice.

I've listened to him go for it at the debates a bit and I've heard him rant about golf courses and wind farms on a few occasions. As far as I can tell he's never made a genuine point about anything. It's all waffle and spin to me.

I didn't really mean his supporters, btw, his detractors seem to be willing to hear whatever they like. I think the guy is dangerous but some of the stuff attributed to him doesn't match up with his comments.

When you say corruption of the press what is it you mean?

 

[Daniel-David-Joseph]

I find ceaseless amusement in these comments. They are finally showing their true colors -- they are the puppets of Wall St. and cannot provide unbiased reporting. What are going to do when Trump wins? Their comments are not effecting his vote percentages at all.

I'm glad you find the well known "Wall Street puppets" Pope Francis (who speaks out almost daily against greed, materialism, economic inequality, abuses of the rich etc. while struggling at the same time to clean up the financial activities of the Vatican Bank) and the infamous corporate ****, 86 year old Auschwitz survivor Eva Schloss, or sympathetic postings about them amusing. The idea that "their comments are not effecting his vote percentages at all," if true (it's too early to tell with regard to the general electorate) would only mean that, like Hitler and other narcissistic, racist bullies before him, Donald ( “laziness is a trait in blacks”) Trump has succeeded in eliciting the worst in people and the worst has won.

What am I going to do "when" Trump wins? Mourn and fight.

What are you going to do? I have a feeling theistic satanists will not be on his guest list when parties are thrown at the White's Only House by the fuhrer. I'm just saying...