Fifty shades of grey is fiction (and consensual, I think?). When Donald brags about groping women, he is telling the truth (for a change). This is not about "dirty words". It is about sexual assault.
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Donald Trump, Groper in Chief
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Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
That's nice, I guess. Did I say they did?
I cannot be but simply amazed on how the plane flies right over some peoples heads on this aspect.
To even argue this is normal for men just makes the case that much more for needing a woman as President. Probably about time for women anyhow.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Playground logic and victim-blaming bull****. If a woman smiles at you it isn't necessarily because she wants sex with you but the old lech that is Trump is too stupid and too immature to (want to) know that, though. A woman might smile at Trump and he interprets that as a desire for sex but that doesn't make it true. Your excuses for Trump don't apply here because he's not interested in consent; if he wants a woman he'll try and force himself on her and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he tried to abuse his position as President to do so - he's already abused his influence as a 'celebrity' to do it. It isn't acceptable to force yourself on a person or pressure them into sex/a relationship.
The reason people are getting annoyed at this is because he wants to be in one of the most powerful political positions in the world but doesn't seem to want to be held to a higher standard of acceptable behaviour. Gods, he doesn't want to be held to the standards we have now. It's almost inevitable he'll bring the Office of the Presidency (and possibly the American government on the international stage) into disrepute. People don't want leaders who are going to make complete arses of themselves and their nation by proxy.
Let's get real: if it was Obama acting like this & making similar boasts then conservatives would be exploding with moral outrage at his indecency and lewdness. But since Trump is the Republican candidate the silence is deafening.
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buddhist
Well-Known Member
So unlike Trump, Obama can read.
This isn't about what Trump said more than a decade ago when he was a Democrat.
It is about who is orchestrating this.
They represent the forces of the status quo. They do not want to change anything, they want CLINTON-BUSH, BUSH-CLINTON for another 20 years. Because your disenfranchisement is their riches and power.
It is about who is orchestrating this.
They represent the forces of the status quo. They do not want to change anything, they want CLINTON-BUSH, BUSH-CLINTON for another 20 years. Because your disenfranchisement is their riches and power.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
Doesn't ultimately matter which side wins; they're both for stirring the pot in the Middle East, and to me, that makes them the same.
No it isn't.
It's about the fact that Trump still isn't a Republican. He saw an opportunity to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican party and he did.
He is still more of a Democrat than a Republican. Trump supporters don't get that.
Tom
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
If it was just one instance, you might have an argument. Unfortunately, it's been incessant with a lot of misogyny in just the past year. BTW, you can bet that all the news agencies are scouring their past films and are trying to dig up as much dirt as possible on both candidates. Nothing sells air time like drama.
The "when he was a Democrat" argument is also pretty lame. It's obvious that he was just as horrible back then as he is now. Difference? The Democrats knew better than to let him have a chance at this.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
It seems that you have never been seduced by a woman in your entire life
You mean like Sarkozy, all of you are religious today, OH MY GOD, Hallelujah
The lengths that you go to in an attempt to defend this guy is pathetic.
How is it sexual assault if the partner lets you do it? That was part of the truth he told. If Trump (and other stars) were routinely around women who didn't let you do whatever you want, I'm pretty sure that would be well known.
Seriously, does anyone reading this think that groupies don't let you do whatever you want with them? Are you under the impression they (groupies) are constantly making indications to stars that anything sexual is off the table, and that it must be explicitly stated / approved of before it occurs? Anyone? Bueller?
But Godzillary is better at it.
That's why I support her. Because she'll actually get some shiff done.
Tom
Did you read the OP? Did you read the link in the OP? This is sexual assault!
Donald Trump, Groper in Chief
"next thing I know he’s pushing me against a wall and has his hands all over me,” Harth told me. “He was trying to kiss me. I was freaking out.” Harth says she was desperately protesting, and finally managed to run out of the room"
This is sexual assault!
His visible actions in the video contradict this BS.
Even though we have no video evidence of this
And yet, many guys (most actually) talk as if it is acceptable/okay for them.
And yet, we've had about 7 POTUS's in a row now that have brought the Office into disrepute. Either of the two candidates up for this election do not lead any rational person to think otherwise. Partisan / supporter types would obviously like you to believe otherwise. Their wishful thinking is fairly well documented and easily discernible.
Silence?
BS much?
My bad, I thought it was on the other incident that doesn't have to do with sexual assault. I see it is on one that deals with allegations of sexual assault, like the kind Bill faced. Bill was a great Groper in Chief, and surely you'd agree given the tone and rhetoric in this thread.
Do you want another groper in the oval office? Yes, this is like the kind of allegations that Bill Clinton faced. And Bill Clinton was impeached.
If the alternative is Hillary? Yes.
If the alternative were Bernie? Probably not.
So, if Trump gets into office and literally gropes a female (other than his wife) while anywhere in the White House, I would expect him to possibly face impeachment, especially if he tries to weasel out of it by claiming he didn't do it, or he didn't understand how 'sex' was being defined. Short of that, and saying because he has a past of alleged groping is not grounds for impeachment. To me, a huge difference between Bill and Trump is that to this day Bill passes it off like it's only been Monica and that's it. Bring up another female, and then it's him maybe saying, okay Monica and that other woman, and that is it. Could likely keep going for about another 100 women, and then he'd be like "and that's it!" Some with Bill have been consensual, and some clearly haven't been.
Plus the kicker of all this and why it is relevant to the election is that Hillary sought to shame / take down the women. That's worst case scenario, but there is definitely allegations of it. Best case scenario is she enabled it for her own political career, because as much as Bill was impeached, during the 1990's and pretty much up to this moment, the idea of a 40+ year old man having sex with a 20+ year old intern, at work, in an office that is very very popular, has routinely been spun as you'd have to be a total prude to see anything wrong with that. So sticking a cigar in Monica's P, and that being well known, is seen as 'eh, not that bad.' But talking about groping a P when you're a star, and they'll let you do that is treated as BFD.
But then as this thread brings up, there's non-consexual allegations by both men (and many other men in society) and that's the stuff where Hillary has jumped in to defend her man and belittle/shame the females. How beautiful is that? A groper in chief being tied to a what could be the Rapist Enabler In Chief.