Donald Trump is digging his own grave

[Prometheus85]

LOL! You have to be kidding me. By your standards going to the store and buying goods is the same as going to the store and shop lifting. In both cases you come home with food.

let’s take it a step further. By @Jollybear standards people can commit all the illegal activities they want as long as they don’t harm nobody. If they harm someone only then will it be considered illegal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

let’s take it a step further. By @Jollybear standards people can commit all the illegal activities they want as long as they don’t harm nobody. If they harm someone only then will it be considered illegal.

I was thinking about pointing out that even attempted murder would not be a crime, as long as no other physical damage is done. A person that was a terrible shot and kept missing his target would be free to get shooting lessons and try again.

 

[Jollybear]

Where? I see no call for equal distribution of wealth.

Well, its not PERFECTLY equal. But, its distributing the wealth. Raising minimum wages, free college, free healthcare, even free money. Thats distributing wealth. Thats socialism (aka, communism.)

Did you look at the communist party USA website to see how there ideas are the same?

 

[Jollybear]

Nor yours.

Democrats aren't communists. That's funny though, I guess.

Um ya, in my former post i showed how its communist.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Um ya, in my former post i showed how its communist.

Then why did everyone miss it?

 

[Jollybear]

Then why did everyone miss it?

You tell me? Because im smart enough to see it clearly.

 

[Jose Fly]

Well, its not PERFECTLY equal.

So no Democrat is calling for "wealth equality" as you claimed.

But, its distributing the wealth.

Both parties are for distribution of wealth; it's just a matter of which direction you prefer.

Raising minimum wages, free college, free healthcare, even free money. Thats distributing wealth. Thats socialism (aka, communism.)

None of those things are communism. You seem to be under the impression that anything publicly funded is automatically communist.

Did you look at the communist party USA website to see how there ideas are the same?

I know what communism is, and it's not "anything funded by taxation".

 

[Shad]

You're dodging. We can discuss whether or not he had the authority to pressure Ukraine in a bit, but I need you to let me know if you acknowledge that he did so with the backing and support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties.

Nope as not being POTUS makes it a crime outright.

There was no backing of what Biden did.

So do you think the Republicans in Congress who supported Biden's actions were lying? Was the EU and IMF in on the lie as well?

No one support Biden's illegal conduct. You are conflating criticism of the prosecutor with support of Biden's acts itself.

Citation needed that IMF supports Biden's action. Anything after 2014 is irrelevant and post hoc. I want to see the specific support for Biden's act you said exists and at the time

Some things fall into the category of "too stupid to argue over".

You are just avoiding having to provide an argument. Try again

The notion that there's absolutely no connection between "We're ready to buy javelins" and "I need a favor though" definitely falls into that category.

Assertion to cover for another assertion. Yawn

 

[Jollybear]

So no Democrat is calling for "wealth equality" as you claimed.

Even in PURE communism, the leaders have MORE then the people of society. Because its impossible to achieve perfect equality, people start leaving the system and it collapses.

Both parties are for distribution of wealth; it's just a matter of which direction you prefer.

Thats not totally accurate. One is for LESS taxation, the other is for MORE.

None of those things are communism. You seem to be under the impression that anything publicly funded is automatically communist.

No, thats NOT what i said or am saying.

Im not saying taxation is bad. Im saying the amount of taxation democrats would require would enter the realm of communism. Yes, communism taxes its society as well. But they do it through the roof.

I know what communism is, and it's not "anything funded by taxation".

Thats a strawman argument.

But, go ahead, tell me what communism is?

 

[Jose Fly]

Nope as not being POTUS makes it a crime outright.

There was no backing of what Biden did.

Here, educate yourself....

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

"But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform."
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Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

If you need more sources for the same thing, I can post as many as you like.

No one support Biden's illegal conduct. You are conflating criticism of the prosecutor with support of Biden's acts itself.

You are demonstrably wrong.

 

[Jose Fly]

Thats not totally accurate. One is for LESS taxation, the other is for MORE.

Im not saying taxation is bad. Im saying the amount of taxation democrats would require would enter the realm of communism. Yes, communism taxes its society as well. But they do it through the roof.

Then you obviously have no idea what communism is (hint: it's not based on levels of taxation).

But, go ahead, tell me what communism is?

At its heart, it's government ownership and control of the means of production (iow, no private enterprise).

 

[Shad]

Here, educate yourself....

Why Was Ukraine's Top Prosecutor Fired? The Issue At The Heart Of The Dispute Gripping Washington

From 2019 and after the fact and gaff was exposed. No one point said anyone backed Biden. Yawn. The citation has no evidence behind it and is the view of an outsider making an assertion.

""Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case," Kaleniuk said."

Transcript please oh wait there isn't one. Funny how evidence suddenly does not matter at all.

"But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired.

They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform

."

This is not support of Bidden's act.

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Portman, Durbin, Shaheen, and Senate Ukraine Caucus Reaffirm Commitment to Help Ukraine Take on Corruption | Senator Rob Portman

Not one word about Biden's act

If you need more sources for the same thing, I can post as many as you like.

Feel free. Now look up what support actually means

You are demonstrably wrong.

Not one of your sources showed support for Biden. Try again. Again I said you are conflating things. Being against X does not mean support for act Y. Yawn.

 

[Jose Fly]

From 2019 and after the fact and gaff was exposed. No one point said anyone backed Biden. Yawn. The citation has no evidence behind it.

Sooooooooo....all the diverse outlets are lying? Why?

Not one of your sources showed support for Biden.

Except for the fact that they said exactly what I've been saying.

 

[Shad]

Sooooooooo....all the diverse outlets are lying? Why?

I never said that. I said your article does not include anyone supporting Biden's act itself which you claimed existed. You conflated things. Not my problem.

Except for the fact that they said exactly what I've been saying.

None did. Read your sources and try again. Being against X does not mean support for Y.

 

[Jose Fly]

I never said that. I said your article does not include anyone supporting Biden's act itself which you claimed existed. You conflated things. Not my problem.

Well now this is just bizarre. I said Biden acted with the support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties. You say that isn't so. I post articles saying that Biden acted with the support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties. And now you're saying the articles don't support my claim?

Um......

 

[Shad]

Well now this is just bizarre. I said Biden acted with the support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties. You say that isn't so.

Yup. You still have not shown any endorsement of Biden's act.

I post articles saying that Biden acted with the support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties. And now you're saying the articles don't support my claim?

No you didn't. You didn't read your own sources. Try again. Again being against X does not mean support of Y. Here is example. Lets say I support ending WW2 but I do not support one of the means used such as the A-bomb. See the difference son? Result vs means....

 

[Jose Fly]

Yup. You still have not shown any endorsement of Biden's act.

No you didn't. You didn't read your own sources. Try again. Again being against X does not mean support of Y. Here is example. Lets say I support ending WW2 but I do not support one of the means used such as the A-bomb. See the difference son? Result vs means....

One more time.

My claim: In pressuring Ukraine to fire a corrupt prosecutor (Shokin), Joe Biden acted with the support of the EU, IMF, and congressmen from both parties.

The source I cited: "But there is a long list of Western organizations, governments, and diplomats, as well as Ukrainian anti-corruption groups, that wanted to see Shokin fired. They include the International Monetary Fund, the European Union, the U.S. government, foreign investors, and Ukrainian advocates of reform."

 

[SkepticThinker]

Um ya, in my former post i showed how its communist.

You didn't show anything. You just said it was.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Even in PURE communism, the leaders have MORE then the people of society. Because its impossible to achieve perfect equality, people start leaving the system and it collapses.



Thats not totally accurate. One is for LESS taxation, the other is for MORE.



No, thats NOT what i said or am saying.

Im not saying taxation is bad. Im saying the amount of taxation democrats would require would enter the realm of communism. Yes, communism taxes its society as well. But they do it through the roof.



Thats a strawman argument.

But, go ahead, tell me what communism is?

Wait a sec, so the US was communist back in the 1950s when the top marginal tax rate was 91% ??
Well, that's news.

 

[Prometheus85]

Wait a sec, so the US was communist back in the 1950s when the top marginal tax rate was 91% ??
Well, that's news.

Cut Jollybear some slack. If you get all your information form right wing media as he does, you’ll probably believe government funded programs and taxation is communism too!