Don't you become enlightened when you die?

[Ben Dhyan]

Since you'll have no mind, no desire, no attachment?

As others have alluded to, the transcendent universal mind is omnipresent and eternal and is unchanged by 'your' death,.. or 'your' prerequisite birth and subsequent life.

However the teaching is that if enlightenment is realized whilst incarnated, then there will be no further rebirths as a mortal into this world.

BTW and FWIW, it is my understanding that the dreadful Christian metaphorical karmic 'hell' that awaits those not yet 'born of the spirit', is the equivalent of being ground over by the metaphorical karmic 'wheel of suffering', i.e. reincarnation, of the yet 'unenlightened'.

All is one and one is all, so everyone will make it in the end,...religious teaching is only about 'enlightenment'/'born of the spirit' sooner rather than later!

 

[methylatedghosts]

Friend Methylatedghost,
Ummm!


It is a difficult question as one who is enlightened knows what a still mind or no-mind is like but in no-mind he cannot carry his ego so cannot say anything about it but when he is back to the thinking mind he knows the difference as being in no-mind is natural is normal and then he is in harmony but cannot say it as as soon as he says it, it would have to be from the mind and so will be falsifies as Lao Tzu had put it.
Whatever enlightenment has to be when alive nothing after death.
Love & rgds

no, you misunderstand me.

What I meant was that in this different form, the one we have termed "death", is a state in which all knowing is available to "you", isn't it? And in that state, one can know WHAT enlightenment is, and what it means, as a concept, but that one cannot have the experience of enlightenment while in physical form.

Does that make more sense?

That in death, one knows enlightenment conceptually, but the only way to know experientially is through life.

I think... xD

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Don't you become enlightened when you die? Since you'll have no mind, no desire, no attachment?

Not necessarily. You can, but you can also become enlightened in the here and now.

 

[zenzero]

Friend MS,

Not necessarily. You can,

How? can one be enlightened after death, if one is not enlightened in life?

would like to know what is missing and where?
Love & rgds

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Friend MS,


How? can one be enlightened after death, if one is not enlightened in life?

would like to know what is missing and where?
Love & rgds

I think we're actually talking about the same thing, my dear.

 

[GURSIKH]

There is, however, one last opportunity for enlightenment the moment before you die. .

i agree but no one knows his last moment , may be this one right now be last , ie is if there is no enlightenment now at present moment there can not be any enlightenment ever . live this moment :

or in other words die now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOVE

 

[Comicaze247]

i agree but no one knows his last moment , may be this one right now be last , ie is if there is no enlightenment now at present moment there can not be any enlightenment ever . live this moment :

or in other words die now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOVE

Actually, some people do know their last moments, like the terminally ill. When one is slowly realizing that all their attachments really mean nothing in the end, it makes it a bit easier to let those go and, therefore, reach Enlightenment.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Comicaze,

Quote:
Originally Posted by GURSIKH
i agree but no one knows his last moment , may be this one right now be last , ie is if there is no enlightenment now at present moment there can not be any enlightenment ever . live this moment :

or in other words die now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

LOVE
Actually, some people do know their last moments, like the terminally ill. When one is slowly realizing that all their attachments really mean nothing in the end, it makes it a bit easier to let those go and, therefore, reach Enlightenment.

Friend Gursikh would surely have meant the exact moment of death is not known even though terminally ill persons know that death is near rather everyone of us know that Death is imminent but none knows when.
Enlightenment can happen HERE-NOW.
Enlightened people [some] on the other hand have declared the time they would leave their bodies.
Love & rgds

 

[GURSIKH]

Actually, some people do know their last moments, like the terminally ill. When one is slowly realizing that all their attachments really mean nothing in the end, it makes it a bit easier to let those go and, therefore, reach Enlightenment.

older ones are more attached

 

[Supergate]

Of course... it is the gift of the Ori for serving them.

 

[Functionless]

I think some people become enlightened when they are dying while others die miserably. However, dying is different from being dead, and I would say that you aren't enlightened when you are dead nor are you not enlightened when you are dead because you have ceased to exist. Therefore, its a non-issue once you are dead. You cannot be something if you are not being.

 

[zenzero]

Friends,
Yes, it is true to be enlightened is ceasing to exists so then that *I* is dead.
In that sense one is enlightened only when one or that *I* is dead.
Thank you all.
Love & rgds