Dosent Obama have a job to do?

[Twilight Hue]

Its clearly heading for debate territory. So mods, please move to debates if you feel it's time.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please present the post number of your list.

And you might want to stop trying to dictate to me what I do and do not accept BEFORE I even get the chance to review what you claim to have presented.

Source material from 27 and 29 cite some specifics.

 

[McBell]

Source material from 27 and 29 cite some specifics.

Thank you for the post numbers.

My apologies.
I misunderstood your OP.
I got from the OP that you were whining about Obama because he is "neglecting" because he is "out campaigning for Hillary."

Your OP was not clear that you are whining about his whole term.

Carry on.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Sad when you can't think of anything because he hasn't hasn't really done anything worth pointing out.


Where's those jobs?

Where's affordable health care?

Aside from 300 golf outings, and campaigning for Hillary........


That's clearly been more importaint.

He has done quite a bit. Could have gotten more done but obstructionism is a *****.

Lets look at his congressional allotted duties and power

Executive powers.
Head of executive branch. This deals with 2 main powers and duties. 1st is being Commander in Chief. He has done a lot with our Military. More than his predecessor I would argue much to my dismay. 2nd is making sure that laws by congress are enforced. An extension of this is his ability to write executive orders. As I recall he used that power far to often for conservative tastes.

Next is Judicial. He doesn't have direct judicial powers but has the power to make numerous different appointments with congressional approval. As I recall he has attempted to do this with great effort being opposed.

Next is his legislative powers. Pretty much none. All he does is veto bills he does not like. Which jobs bills did he veto that would have given us jobs?

 

[McBell]

He has done quite a bit. Could have gotten more done but obstructionism is a *****.

Lets look at his congressional allotted duties and power

Executive powers.
Head of executive branch. This deals with 2 main powers and duties. 1st is being Commander in Chief. He has done a lot with our Military. More than his predecessor I would argue much to my dismay. 2nd is making sure that laws by congress are enforced. An extension of this is his ability to write executive orders. As I recall he used that power far to often for conservative tastes.

Next is Judicial. He doesn't have direct judicial powers but has the power to make numerous different appointments with congressional approval. As I recall he has attempted to do this with great effort being opposed.

Next is his legislative powers. Pretty much none. All he does is veto bills he does not like. Which jobs bills did he veto that would have given us jobs?

Seems there are far to many people who believe the President of the USA has far more power than the position actually holds.

 

[Scuba Pete]

That left-right argument doesn't work with me. They're both statists, and they are two heads of the same snake to me.

Of course it won't. No one has accused you of being reasonable. Why would we expect you to start now?

 

[buddhist]

Of course it won't. No one has accused you of being reasonable. Why would we expect you to start now?

Must you resort to ad hominems?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Thank you for the post numbers.

My apologies.
I misunderstood your OP.
I got from the OP that you were whining about Obama because he is "neglecting" because he is "out campaigning for Hillary."

Your OP was not clear that you are whining about his whole term.

Carry on.

My intention was not specifics per say, but the ever growing habit of politictions abandoning their duties of office when pressing issues still require their full attention.

Campaigning for Hillary seems rather inappropriate givin the current state of affairs both domestic and abroad.

It feels like a royal snub to the country as a whole and reflects poorly imv.

While I disagree vehemently with many of Obama's policies. It would be far more impressive and reflected positive on his character had he kept his nose to the grindstone until the very last day of his term as a working commited leader. That would have been impressive and inspiring to me.

Obama's campaigning for Hillary made me think of where the state of work ethics in politics lay, and where the sense of commitment and duty goes when embarking an office as importaint as the president, and any goverment office of note, because those are the offices people ought to look up to and rely on.

A long time ago. It seemed the office of president had that distinction of being held by hard working, smart, and committed people. (any party)

A symbolic icon reflecting those qualities that caused this country to grow and become the powerhouse in such a short time as compared to other countries.

Now it seems demoted now as being a status trophy passed time and time again for bragging rights, and who gets to hold it, flaunt it next without regard to the actual function it's intended and set up to be.

To go out and attempt to hand that "trophy" to one's successer before the terms and obligations are actually up, well.....

Not only for president, but any oath of office.

 

[Lighthouse]

He's campaigning away for Hillary. Looks like job neglect to me.

Violation of the Hatch Act ?

 

[metis]

He is still president last I heard. World affairs, domestic issues to contend with.

Why is he neglecting his presidential duties to instead go all out campaigning for Hillary.

That's her job right now. Not his.

The job travels with the president.

BTW, why didn't you say much the same about congress?

BTW, why didn't you say the same about yourself?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

My intention was not specifics per say, but the ever growing habit of politictions abandoning their duties of office when pressing issues still require their full attention.

Campaigning for Hillary seems rather inappropriate givin the current state of affairs both domestic and abroad.

It feels like a royal snub to the country as a whole and reflects poorly imv.

While I disagree vehemently with many of Obama's policies. It would be far more impressive and reflected positive on his character had he kept his nose to the grindstone until the very last day of his term as a working commited leader. That would have been impressive and inspiring to me.

Obama's campaigning for Hillary made me think of where the state of work ethics in politics lay, and where the sense of commitment and duty goes when embarking an office as importaint as the president, and any goverment office of note, because those are the offices people ought to look up to and rely on.

A long time ago. It seemed the office of president had that distinction of being held by hard working, smart, and committed people. (any party)

A symbolic icon reflecting those qualities that caused this country to grow and become the powerhouse in such a short time as compared to other countries.

Now it seems demoted now as being a status trophy passed time and time again for bragging rights, and who gets to hold it, flaunt it next without regard to the actual function it's intended and set up to be.

To go out and attempt to hand that "trophy" to one's successer before the terms and obligations are actually up, well.....

Not only for president, but any oath of office.

Think about what you're saying for a moment. If you are going to expend an immense amount of energy and effort to build something, it is also prudent to make sure that the moment you're not there anymore, the next guy can't just tear it all down and start again. We pay insurance premiums, and buy maintenance contracts for exactly that reason. So all Obama is really doing is trying to ensure that what he worked so hard to build will have some chance of being maintained.

I think it would be plain stupid not to do so.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Of all the hills to die on, you complain about something not at all unique to Obama or Democrat presidents and then shift the goal posts when you get called on the partisan bickering. I'm sensing a theme.

 

[Lighthouse]

Think about what you're saying for a moment. If you are going to expend an immense amount of energy and effort to build something, it is also prudent to make sure that the moment you're not there anymore, the next guy can't just tear it all down and start again. We pay insurance premiums, and buy maintenance contracts for exactly that reason. So all Obama is really doing is trying to ensure that what he worked so hard to build will have some chance of being maintained.

I think it would be plain stupid not to do so.

Leaving out what may be "right or wrong," I agree, we can't fault Obama for wanting to maintain that which was built up.

I will say that some things are beneficial to tear down what was built up and start from scratch. Some things are also worth building upon. And each will be a judge to which.

 

[Quetzal]

Taxpayer money at work. Helping Hillary's campaign.

You clearly have a strong bias here, so my input certainly won't add anything.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The job travels with the president.

BTW, why didn't you say much the same about congress?

BTW, why didn't you say the same about yourself?

It's worth reflecting upon. And yes. We should say the same overall. Works ethics and the value of personal commitment have changed now with a lot of people compared with the past.

I think there's a disconnect that is prevelant from those who lead today and serve as examples when facing the rigors and trials of any task givin. The highest office in the nation needs to be a spearhead that not only reflects those qualities, but the person holding that office itself.

Campaigning isn't one of them. Imo.

Of all the hills to die on, you complain about something not at all unique to Obama or Democrat presidents and then shift the goal posts when you get called on the partisan bickering. I'm sensing a theme.

Worth concidering that maybe perhaps the goal posts move themselves. ;0)

 

[Twilight Hue]

You clearly have a strong bias here, so my input certainly won't add anything.

I think it's just tiring to see people that have a poor sense of priority and importance to a point where someone else's personal ambition like campaigning overides one's direct duties and responsibilities of the tasks at hand.

It's like walking in an office and seeing the desk secretary completely absent from the chair, or a restaurant and no one at the counter to attend to orders and customers because they are involved in activities not in their job description while on duty.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Think about what you're saying for a moment. If you are going to expend an immense amount of energy and effort to build something, it is also prudent to make sure that the moment you're not there anymore, the next guy can't just tear it all down and start again. We pay insurance premiums, and buy maintenance contracts for exactly that reason. So all Obama is really doing is trying to ensure that what he worked so hard to build will have some chance of being maintained.

I think it would be plain stupid not to do so.

Is there any reason that couldn't be addressed after the new successer has been chosen? The transition period?

 

[Quetzal]

I think it's just tiring to see people that have a poor sense of priority and importance to a point where someone else's personal ambition like campaigning overides one's direct duties and responsibilities of the tasks at hand.

Sure, I can see that. But I suppose it is hard to prove that by campaigning for his party, he is falling short elsewhere. I have no idea what his day in, day out, looks like. But, given that this is pretty typical for all presidents, I am willing to give him a pass here. But, that is my bias speaking, too.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Sure, I can see that. But I suppose it is hard to prove that by campaigning for his party, he is falling short elsewhere. I have no idea what his day in, day out, looks like. But, given that this is pretty typical for all presidents, I am willing to give him a pass here. But, that is my bias speaking, too.

Thing is, it's been a long time since 1908 Roosevelt era for a sitting president actively endorsing his potential successor.

Guess that's Obama's legacy. Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

 

[Quetzal]

Guess that's Obama's legacy. Endorsing Hillary Clinton.

Nah, he has many other positives that his administration has taken care of.