Double-blind Prayer Efficacy Test -- Really?

[Sheldon]

There's a double standard in lots of this. I recall the 'argument' that capital punishment 'should be televised to show what it is like' but ask the same person should late-term abortion be televised? They will declare you 'gross' without showing any ability to have self-assessment or self-criticism of what they said.

Well I'm not sure people who want the criminal justice system to be primarily about revenge will care, but it's not an argument I would make. I don't see how televising abortion addresses the issue of taking away bodily autonomy, you could televise someone have a rectal cancer removed, and pretty much everyone would find it repulsive, that doesn't make it wrong or mean it shouldn't be done.

Also if you're going to accuse anyone of presenting a double standard, then you should address it to the person presenting those arguments, rather using it in this poorly reasoned generic accusation.

So all I have to do is find ONE PERSON who will live longer than six months, is not in palliative care and having successful (or no) pain management - and this person was ABLE to be put to death by medical authorities.

Nope, this hypothetical would only show a failure in existing legislation, or a failure to adhere to it properly, it would not represent a case against someone being allowed to make their own end of life decisions where it was appropriate. Do you not know what a negative stereotype is?

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
You keep doing this, lumping in things you don't like as if they are all wrong or immoral, when this is your subjective opinion, as if the world not validating your beliefs and choices mean it's doomed. Divorce, being gay, gambling, abortion, decriminalising certain drugs, I don't see anything inherently wrong in any of that. So beyond your subjective religious beliefs, can you offer any cogent rational explanation of why you think they are harmful, be specific?

You might have glowing thoughts about homosexuals, abortion, easy divorce, teenage pregnancy, 'recreational' drugs etc.. Lots do. No problem.

So no then you have squat, and probably made the claim up thought so. The rest of your post is a straw man, since I never mentioned "glowing thoughts", as anyone can see by reading my post quoted verbatim above, and of course, you failed pointedly to explain why any of those are wrong, yet again. The only rational inference I can draw from this failure is that you have no cogent or rational explanation or argument.

I'm done offering answers to one unrelated and disjointed rant after another, as you are not offering cogent debate or any pretence of reciprocity, just endlessly preaching, and I have better things to do with my time than teach you the basics of debate and rational discourse.

 

[PruePhillip]

So no then you have squat, and probably made the claim up thought so. The rest of your post is a straw man, since I never mentioned "glowing thoughts", as anyone can see by reading my post quoted verbatim above, and of course, you failed pointedly to explain why any of those are wrong, yet again. The only rational inference I can draw from this failure is that you have no cogent or rational explanation or argument.

I'm done offering answers to one unrelated and disjointed rant after another, as you are not offering cogent debate or any pretence of reciprocity, just endlessly preaching, and I have better things to do with my time than teach you the basics of debate and rational discourse.

I am not necessarily speaking of yourself ('cos I don't know you) but of the generations of people who wanted 'reform' but denied this 'reform' would get to the stage it did. I suspect a lot of social activism of the neo-Marxist brigade isn't because they believe in certain things, but it's WHO they don't believe in. During the Viet protests one thing I will never forget - when asked about what what happened AFTER America left Vietnam (you know, the things that would never happen) one person said in their defense, 'It's not what we were for, but rather, who we were against.' Namely mainstream, genuinely liberal, conservative, church, red necks, patriots, pro-American etc..

And there's another issue - goes like this
Activist A wants euthenasia
Citizen B points out the inevitable abuse of euthenasia
A forces the issue and wins
Soon B's point of view becomes evident (ie killing people who could live long lives)
A can't be bothered with the issue, and is already promoting 'trans gender pronouns' or whatever
B is left to fight the euthenasia abuse they said would happen.

 

[Sheldon]

I am not necessarily speaking of yourself ('cos I don't know you) but of the generations of people who wanted 'reform' but denied this 'reform' would get to the stage it did. I suspect a lot of social activism of the neo-Marxist brigade isn't because they believe in certain things, but it's WHO they don't believe in. During the Viet protests one thing I will never forget - when asked about what what happened AFTER America left Vietnam (you know, the things that would never happen) one person said in their defense, 'It's not what we were for, but rather, who we were against.' Namely mainstream, genuinely liberal, conservative, church, red necks, patriots, pro-American etc..

And there's another issue - goes like this
Activist A wants euthenasia
Citizen B points out the inevitable abuse of euthenasia
A forces the issue and wins
Soon B's point of view becomes evident (ie killing people who could live long lives)
A can't be bothered with the issue, and is already promoting 'trans gender pronouns' or whatever
B is left to fight the euthenasia abuse they said would happen.

So still no citation to support your claim, and no reason to believe it is genuine at all then.

You also failed to address your straw man, since I never mentioned "glowing thoughts", as anyone can see by reading my post.

And lastly you have failed pointedly to explain why you think any of those things you listed are wrong, yet again. Meanwhile you're off and running into yet another unrelated disjointed rant?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Certainly, you said the links were dead.

Um, I did not say that.

I looked it up a different way and read it. It doesn't say what you claim.

 

[PruePhillip]

So still no citation to support your claim, and no reason to believe it is genuine at all then.

You also failed to address your straw man, since I never mentioned "glowing thoughts", as anyone can see by reading my post.

And lastly you have failed pointedly to explain why you think any of those things you listed are wrong, yet again. Meanwhile you're off and running into yet another unrelated disjointed rant?

The disjointed rants are
1 - truthful
2 - can't be answered

And here's another disjointed rant. A trans LGBT whatever guy shows the tampons he uses - in a Disney cartoon.
Tell people on this forum just 2 or 3 years ago this would happen and they would laugh at you.
Peter Singer suggested parents should be able to kill their handicapped children up to the age of five. Think it might happen?

 

[SkepticThinker]

You might have glowing thoughts about homosexuals, abortion, easy divorce, teenage pregnancy, 'recreational' drugs etc.. Lots do. No problem.
BUT GO BACK A FEW YEARS AND LIBERAL MINDED PEOPLE SAID THESE THINGS WOULDN'T BECOME SO WIDESPREAD, MAINSTREAM AND LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEIR CRITICS SAID THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE ONE DAY. .

What things wouldn't "become so widespread?"

Homosexuals? What does that mean? They've always been around.
Abortion? Okay, I get that one, I think. But I don't know how you trump bodily autonomy.
Easy divorce? Not sure what that means either, but I support peoples' choice to dissolve any relationship that is abusive, unfulfilling, or whatever. Life is too short to stay in a bad relationship that makes you miserable.
Teenage pregnancy? Stop teaching abstinence-only in schools and instead, teach comprehensive sex ed and that number will go down.
Recreational drugs? Who cares? If somebody wants to ingest a drug and aren't hurting anyone, what's the problem? By the way, recreational drugs have always been around in some form or another. Ever heard of a "snuff" box? Hell, medicines and fizzy drinks had cocaine or heroin in them, like, a hundred years ago or so.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The disjointed rants are
1 - truthful
2 - can't be answered

And here's another disjointed rant. A trans LGBT whatever guy shows the tampons he uses - in a Disney cartoon.
Tell people on this forum just 2 or 3 years ago this would happen and they would laugh at you.
Peter Singer suggested parents should be able to kill their handicapped children up to the age of five. Think it might happen?
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Oh no a tampon! What will the children think!?

That tampons can be a normal part of personal hygiene for some people? That wearing a tampon isn't a shameful thing and people have been doing it for a long time?
Big deal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh crap! The "Disney teaches kids that men use tampons" is due to a transphobic interpretation of a Disney show where it shows that people buy tampons. Included in the episode was a man buying tampons for his daughter and a trans person. A transman can still have periods. Okay, that is not me, that is not you (talking especially to the transphobic here) but there are trans people in the world. We have several members here that are trans. Buying tampons is something that almost everyone does at some point in their lives. The one exception that I can think of would be gay men in a committed relationship. If you can't buy tampons as as man you are not much of a man in my opinion. It is just nature.

‘Baymax!’ Has Folks Pearl-Clutching Over Menstruation Again

 

[PruePhillip]

Oh no a tampon! What will the children think!?

That tampons can be a normal part of personal hygiene for some people? That wearing a tampon isn't a shameful thing and people have been doing it for a long time?
Big deal.

We all know that in this case it isn't a hygene issue from some elderly or handicapped man. It's another trans LGBQ Woke thing -
the guys who castrate 12 year old boys and cut the breasts off 14 year old girls. Often the same surgeons who abort kids too.
Killing a mentally handicapped child or a person who feels unwanted is super-normal to these people.

Listened to a video tonight about a girl who left her college after finding a boy in her women's dressing room - not a so-called trans, just a normal boy. All the girls were afraid to say anything for fear they would be labelled trans-phobe.

 

[PruePhillip]

Oh crap! The "Disney teaches kids that men use tampons" is due to a transphobic interpretation of a Disney show where it shows that people buy tampons. Included in the episode was a man buying tampons for his daughter and a trans person. A transman can still have periods. Okay, that is not me, that is not you (talking especially to the transphobic here) but there are trans people in the world. We have several members here that are trans. Buying tampons is something that almost everyone does at some point in their lives. The one exception that I can think of would be gay men in a committed relationship. If you can't buy tampons as as man you are not much of a man in my opinion. It is just nature.

‘Baymax!’ Has Folks Pearl-Clutching Over Menstruation Again

And trans ideology is now in the Disney cartoons. Next we wil see the joy a boy has when his penis is made into a vagina, and for the rest of his/her life can smell the poo - as happens. When we were kids we were all trooped off to see Orwell's Animal Farm cartoon. Suppose the same now will happen with school kids and trans cartoons. And then cartoons which don't celebrate trans will be banned as 'trans phobic.'
Who said this? 'Revolutions fail by the excesses of their principals.'

 

[SkepticThinker]

We all know that in this case it isn't a hygene issue from some elderly or handicapped man. It's another trans LGBQ Woke thing -
the guys who castrate 12 year old boys and cut the breasts off 14 year old girls. Often the same surgeons who abort kids too.

Trans people don't "castrate 12 year old boys and cut the breasts of 14 year old girls."
Surgeons don't abort kids either. That doesn't even make any sense.

Killing a mentally handicapped child or a person who feels unwanted is super-normal to these people.

To what people? Trans people? Do you have some statistics showing that transpeople think it's "super-normal" to kill mentally handicapped children?

Listened to a video tonight about a girl who left her college after finding a boy in her women's dressing room - not a so-called trans, just a normal boy. All the girls were afraid to say anything for fear they would be labelled trans-phobe.

What does any of this have to do with tampons, which are a totally normal part of life??

 

[Subduction Zone]

And trans ideology is now in the Disney cartoons. Next we wil see the joy a boy has when his penis is made into a vagina, and for the rest of his/her life can smell the poo - as happens. When we were kids we were all trooped off to see Orwell's Animal Farm cartoon. Suppose the same now will happen with school kids and trans cartoons. And then cartoons which don't celebrate trans will be banned as 'trans phobic.'
Who said this? 'Revolutions fail by the excesses of their principals.'

Is a hate filled rant all that you have?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Oh crap! The "Disney teaches kids that men use tampons" is due to a transphobic interpretation of a Disney show where it shows that people buy tampons. Included in the episode was a man buying tampons for his daughter and a trans person. A transman can still have periods. Okay, that is not me, that is not you (talking especially to the transphobic here) but there are trans people in the world. We have several members here that are trans. Buying tampons is something that almost everyone does at some point in their lives. The one exception that I can think of would be gay men in a committed relationship. If you can't buy tampons as as man you are not much of a man in my opinion. It is just nature.

‘Baymax!’ Has Folks Pearl-Clutching Over Menstruation Again

Ah, of course it was misconstrued and misrepresented. I should have known.

Haha! Like 20 years ago, my husband used to be so weird about grabbing me some tampons at the store. He was mortified when I sat him down and demonstrated how they work. Don't ask me why but I thought it was something he should know. Twenty years later, he knows exactly which ones I like, down to the brand and the absorbency level and picks them up from the store without my even having to ask.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ah, of course it was misconstrued and misrepresented. I should have known.

Haha! Like 20 years ago, my husband used to be so weird about grabbing me some tampons at the store. He was mortified when I sat him down and demonstrated how they work. Don't ask me why but I thought it was something he should know. Twenty years later, he knows exactly which ones I like, down to the brand and the absorbency level and picks them up from the store without my even having to ask.

Blame it one sex education. I think that the problem starts in fifth grade. That was when I remember all of the girls being taken out of class for secret instructions. Schools should teach all students about bodily changes for both sexes together. If we have been taught "this is a female body and this is what will happen and how we deal with it" and "this is a male body and this is what will happen" I think that a lot of the mystery and taboo would go away.

"Oh noesss! He wants to take the mystery out of sex". Damn straight I do. I know, there are some women that would freak out about learning that their sons know that they menstruate. But what good does that lack of knowledge do? It is easy enough to show how that lack of knowledge can harm others.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Blame it one sex education. I think that the problem starts in fifth grade. That was when I remember all of the girls being taken out of class for secret instructions. Schools should teach all students about bodily changes for both sexes together. If we have been taught "this is a female body and this is what will happen and how we deal with it" and "this is a male body and this is what will happen" I think that a lot of the mystery and taboo would go away.

"Oh noesss! He wants to take the mystery out of sex". Damn straight I do. I know, there are some women that would freak out about learning that their sons know that they menstruate. But what good does that lack of knowledge do? It is easy enough to show how that lack of knowledge can harm others.

I couldn't agree more. Remove the mystery and with it the shame and embarrassment surrounding natural bodily functions that everyone experiences and we'll all be better off for it.

 

[Sheldon]

The disjointed rants are
1 - truthful
2 - can't be answered

No they're not, as was just demonstrated you made a claim and can't offer anything to support it, and you made a claim that a string of behaviours were a sign the world is in decline, yet can't offer any cogent explanation as to why you claim they were harmful? How is being gay for example, harming anyone, beyond your subjective belief in archaic superstition?

And here's another disjointed rant.

Not interested thanks, since it has no bearing on your previous claims, or my response which you continue to fail to address. This is a debate forum, not a pulpit for you to sound off from.

 

[Sheldon]

Listened to a video tonight about a girl who left her college after finding a boy in her women's dressing room - not a so-called trans, just a normal boy. All the girls were afraid to say anything for fear they would be labelled trans-phobe.

I don't believe you, and suspect you're just making up rubbish, as usual.

 

[Sheldon]

Is a hate filled rant all that you have?

Oh oh oh me me me, I know this one....

 

[PruePhillip]

I don't believe you, and suspect you're just making up rubbish, as usual.

You stand correct, it wasn't a dressing room but a 'bathroom'
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