Double Minded Atheist

[viole]

So you are confused to say that faith always lead to truth. It's not. I simply point out it can lead to truth (and false as well). However it could be the only way to reach a truth in certain circumstance.

It remains a fallacy to say that because some believe allah such that Jesus must not true or vice versa.

So, if faith does not always lead to truth, what makes you think your faith, if any. leads you to truth?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

That's the problem. They are wanting and earthly result to a spiritual belief.

Assuming that a spiritual reality exists, of course.

Ciao

- viole

 

[g2perk]

This nonbeliever doesn't say "there is no god." Instead I say, "I've never seen compelling evidence that leads me to believe in the existence of god(s)."

If you want something you never had you have to do things you never done.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Would you say the likelyhood of your god existing is equal to the likelyhood that Zeus rules Midgard(earth) from mount Olympus?

@g2perk

Well?

 

[Hawkins]

So, if faith does not always lead to truth, what makes you think your faith, if any. leads you to truth?

Ciao

- viole

It's because if a truth exists there, the only way is to believe. There's no other way round. I said many times that the analogy is the claim of bomb nearby by someone who is willing to die to bring out the information. I believe because there's no other means that this can be verified, plus that it could potentially affect my our life.

That is to say, if bomb is actually there the only way to reach this truth is to believe what is said. There's no other way round, unless you have a more reliable source to confirm that it's a hoax.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Even people in ancient history knew there where Gods. So how can people in today's society say or think otherwise. What makes them so sure? It seems to me that no one has a definitive answer.

I didn't say anything about certainty.

If you want something you never had you have to do things you never done.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Could you state it differently?

 

[g2perk]

Assuming that a spiritual reality exists, of course.

Ciao

- viole

Of course, this is a conversation from the beginning of time so something has to be true about it.

 

[Skwim]

Just the that that you even mention other God's should tell you that a real God exist. Where else would it come from.

How about imagination? Think Hobbits exist because J. R. R. Tolkien and his many readers mention them?

I am just trying to figure out on what bases does non believers have to say there is no God. Is it just what they think.

How about a lack of credible evidence.

At least Christians have the bible.

So what? This presumes that the Bible must be credible evidence. For many, many people it is not.

Even people in ancient history knew there where Gods. So how can people in today's society say or think otherwise. What makes them so sure?

Does that fact that ancient people believed the Sun revolves around the Earth make it true?

It seems to me that no one has a definitive answer.

Yup. Yet people live their lives as if they do; investing their time and energy in their god based religions.

Or rather do they really realize that it remains their belief not fact or truth?

As I've said, those atheists I know of do not regard the nonexistence of god to be hard fact, although I'm sure many atheists do. So you have different degrees of certainty.


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[Willamena]

That's the problem. They are wanting and earthly result to a spiritual belief.

Plus, they don't know what a "spiritual belief" is.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No it doesn't, but it does say that a God exist. Now which God you choose to believe in is a choice only you can make. But to say there is no God is just silly to me.

Well, to believe in a god or even entertain the notion that there is something going on that defys the norm, one would require a God first hand or instance to speak of and point at exclusively in the first place.

Na da means no God. Pretty straightforward stuff.

 

[g2perk]

@g2perk

Well?

Chances are better

 

[viole]

That's not my question. My question is are you denying that humans today generally consider earth is revolving around the sun or not?

No. I am not denying this. It is a good approximation of the truth. But not the truth.

I am talking about a generally accept fact. You choose to deny it by going into a specific school of science. That's why my question. Moreover, if you think that "earth around sun" is not a good example, however about "black holes".

What about black holes?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Of course, this is a conversation from the beginning of time so something has to be true about it.

The beginning of time? There is no beginning of time.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Chances are better

Ok. What do you base that on?

Yes, this has a point.

 

[g2perk]

I didn't say anything about certainty.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Could you state it differently?

Have you tried believing in God, praying to God etc.

 

[viole]

It's because if a truth exists there, the only way is to believe. There's no other way round. I said many times that the analogy is the claim of bomb nearby by someone who is willing to die to bring out the information. I believe because there's no other means that this can be verified, plus that it could potentially affect my our life.

That is to say, if bomb is actually there the only way to reach this truth is to believe what is said. There's no other way round, unless you have a more reliable source to confirm that it's a hoax.

Well, I believe there is no god, gods or whatever supernatural.

Do I have a chance to get the truth?

Ciao

- viole

 

[LuisDantas]

Okay. Now the question becomes where to we come from.

We humans? Biological beings? Who?

 

[Willamena]

Have you tried believing in God, praying to God etc.

Do you mean pretending to believe in God? Why would someone pretend to believe in a thing?

 

[g2perk]

The beginning of time? There is no beginning of time.

Ciao

- viole

Are you serious.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Have you tried believing in God, praying to God etc.

I grew up in a Christian household and considered myself a Christian until I was in my late teens.

But you can't force yourself to believe things. At least, I can't.