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Quote....Imagist...Look at my previous post. The black hole theory is basically the cyclical universe theory. Currently, I think the multiverse theory is most accepted but I don't have any statistics to back this up. I do know that the cyclical universe theory is not the dominant theory because it would seem to require a collapsing universe rather than an expanding one.
The black hole theory is not basically the cyclical universal theory.
Two world renowned scientists present an audacious new version of the cosmos that “steals the thunder from the Big Bang theory”- Wall Street Journal
The Big Bang theory—widely regarded as the leading explanation of the origin of the universe—posits that space and time sprang into being about 14 billion years ago in a hot, expanding fireball of nearly infinite density. Over the last three decades the theory has been repeatedly revised to address such issues as how galaxies and stars first formed and why the expansion of the universe is speeding up today. Furthermore, an explanation has yet to be found for what caused the Big Bang in the first place.
In Endless Universe, Paul J. Steinhardt and Neil Yurok, both distinguished theoretical physicists, present a bold new cosmology. Steinhardt and Turok “contend that what we think of as the moment of creation was simply part of an infinite cycle of titanic collisions between our universe and a parallel world” (Discover). They recount the remarkable developments in astronomy, particle physics, and superstring theory that form the basis for their ground breaking “Cyclical Universe” theory. According to this theory, the Big Bang was not the beginning of time, but the bridge to a past filled with endlessly repeating cycles (Periods) of evolution, each accompanied by the creation of new matter and the formation of new galaxies and planets.
Endless Universe provides answers to longstanding problems with the Big Bang model, while offering a productive new view of both the past and the future of the cosmos. It is a “theory that could solve the cosmic mystery” (USA Today)
Quote....Imagist...You are incorrect. I firmly believe in evolution. I also understand it, which you obviously don't if you think that evolution necessarily leads to gods.
Psalms 82, “You are gods,” I said, “All of you are the sons of the Most High.” If mankind who has gained dominion of all creature which evolved before him is a god, then how much more so is the Son of Man, the new species, which Will dwell on earth among mankind and gain dominion over all creation, and every knee will bow before him.
There has been extensive research on the presence of mind in our bodies, that suggests that the neuropeptides, chemical substances that form the communication network of our emotions, are present not just in the brain, but everywhere in the body. As Dr. Cadence Pert, chief of brain biochemistry at the National Institute of Mental Health in the US writes, “These findings go beyond the often mentioned concept of power of mind over body. Indeed, the more we know about neuropeptides, the harder it is to think in the traditional terms of a mind and a body. It makes more and more sense of a single integrated entity, a body-mind.
So, while the brain remains the primary analyser, our mind is not located there and is more like an information field spread across the body.
Quote....Imagist...The word used is "days", not "periods" or "periods of universal activity". The other word is "god", not "logos" or "singularity". And for the record, so that you don't try to pull any Bill Clinton shenanigans: "is" means "is".
John 1, “In the beginning was the ‘Logos’ and the Logos was God, the singularity from who all things were made, and by who, all things were made, and for who all things exist, and without the Logos was not anything made that was made.
‘Days,’ can rightfully be interpreted as periods of time and do not refer in this instance to a twenty four hour day. As to the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest, the period in which we now exist, the Bible says in Genesis 2: 4, “These are the generations of the universe.”
The Hebrew word used here is ‘toledoth,’ which is used only in reference to descendants, as in, “These are the generations of Adam,” or “These are the generations of Abraham” and so the second generation universe was born of the first, and the third generation universal body was born of the second etc.
Quote....Imagist...If you're going to use scientific terms, use them correctly. Your bizarre ideas seem to rise from your complete misuse of terms. From this post on, I will not respond to a point you make using terms incorrectly, but will instead correct your usage of the terms.
After this post you won’t have to old mate, cos my next post will be short and sweet, after which I will not be returning to this thread.
The black hole theory is not basically the cyclical universal theory.
Two world renowned scientists present an audacious new version of the cosmos that “steals the thunder from the Big Bang theory”- Wall Street Journal
The Big Bang theory—widely regarded as the leading explanation of the origin of the universe—posits that space and time sprang into being about 14 billion years ago in a hot, expanding fireball of nearly infinite density. Over the last three decades the theory has been repeatedly revised to address such issues as how galaxies and stars first formed and why the expansion of the universe is speeding up today. Furthermore, an explanation has yet to be found for what caused the Big Bang in the first place.
In Endless Universe, Paul J. Steinhardt and Neil Yurok, both distinguished theoretical physicists, present a bold new cosmology. Steinhardt and Turok “contend that what we think of as the moment of creation was simply part of an infinite cycle of titanic collisions between our universe and a parallel world” (Discover). They recount the remarkable developments in astronomy, particle physics, and superstring theory that form the basis for their ground breaking “Cyclical Universe” theory. According to this theory, the Big Bang was not the beginning of time, but the bridge to a past filled with endlessly repeating cycles (Periods) of evolution, each accompanied by the creation of new matter and the formation of new galaxies and planets.
Endless Universe provides answers to longstanding problems with the Big Bang model, while offering a productive new view of both the past and the future of the cosmos. It is a “theory that could solve the cosmic mystery” (USA Today)
Quote....Imagist...You are incorrect. I firmly believe in evolution. I also understand it, which you obviously don't if you think that evolution necessarily leads to gods.
Psalms 82, “You are gods,” I said, “All of you are the sons of the Most High.” If mankind who has gained dominion of all creature which evolved before him is a god, then how much more so is the Son of Man, the new species, which Will dwell on earth among mankind and gain dominion over all creation, and every knee will bow before him.
There has been extensive research on the presence of mind in our bodies, that suggests that the neuropeptides, chemical substances that form the communication network of our emotions, are present not just in the brain, but everywhere in the body. As Dr. Cadence Pert, chief of brain biochemistry at the National Institute of Mental Health in the US writes, “These findings go beyond the often mentioned concept of power of mind over body. Indeed, the more we know about neuropeptides, the harder it is to think in the traditional terms of a mind and a body. It makes more and more sense of a single integrated entity, a body-mind.
So, while the brain remains the primary analyser, our mind is not located there and is more like an information field spread across the body.
Quote....Imagist...The word used is "days", not "periods" or "periods of universal activity". The other word is "god", not "logos" or "singularity". And for the record, so that you don't try to pull any Bill Clinton shenanigans: "is" means "is".
John 1, “In the beginning was the ‘Logos’ and the Logos was God, the singularity from who all things were made, and by who, all things were made, and for who all things exist, and without the Logos was not anything made that was made.
‘Days,’ can rightfully be interpreted as periods of time and do not refer in this instance to a twenty four hour day. As to the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest, the period in which we now exist, the Bible says in Genesis 2: 4, “These are the generations of the universe.”
The Hebrew word used here is ‘toledoth,’ which is used only in reference to descendants, as in, “These are the generations of Adam,” or “These are the generations of Abraham” and so the second generation universe was born of the first, and the third generation universal body was born of the second etc.
Quote....Imagist...If you're going to use scientific terms, use them correctly. Your bizarre ideas seem to rise from your complete misuse of terms. From this post on, I will not respond to a point you make using terms incorrectly, but will instead correct your usage of the terms.
After this post you won’t have to old mate, cos my next post will be short and sweet, after which I will not be returning to this thread.
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Imagist
Worshipper of Athe.
S-word said:
Incredible! You posted saying that the black hole theory is not the same as the cyclical universe theory, and your own "evidence" explicitly proves you wrong.
S-word said:
If you wrote this as a quote for any journal or newspaper, you would go to jail or at least pay a large fine, because this is literally a false quote.
I have never said this before on a forum: you are lying. I have lost any respect I might have had for you, since you are willing to immorally lie in order to try to support your ridiculous beliefs.
The quote is:
John 1:1-5 said:
S-word said:
Another, even more blatant, lie:
Genesis 2:4 said:
To me, this is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever written on a forum. I have never so directly come in contact with religion causing immoral behavior. Up until now I have believed that the majority of religious people were merely naive or under pressure from their peers (I was both when I was religious) and that their intentions, at least, were pure. This post leads me to question that belief. I can only interpret S-word's blatant and complete dishonesty as being the result of malicious intent.
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Quote,,,Imagist...Incredible! You posted saying that the black hole theory is not the same as the cyclical universe theory, and your own "evidence" explicitly proves you wrong.
You’re lying again! The ‘heat-death’ theory of the universe is when the universe has reached a state of maximum entropy; this theory is not the black hole theory even though it begins with the Big Bang.
The ‘cold death’ theory is when the universe continues to expand forever; again, this theory is not the Black Hole theory, even though it begins with a Big Bang.
The cyclical universal theory is when the universe goes through an eternal process of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, or in other words, the Physical universe oscillates between a state of being to non-being then back to being again, this theory also is not the black hole theory even though it begins with a Big Bang. According to your reckoning, every theory that begins with a Big Bang, are all the same theory which is that of the black hole, ‘rubbish’.
Quote S-word..... John 1, “In the beginning was the ‘Logos’ and the Logos was God, the singularity from who all things were made, and by who, all things were made, and for who all things exist, and without the Logos was not anything made that was made.
Quote,,,Imagist...If you wrote this as a quote for any journal or newspaper, you would go to jail or at least pay a large fine, because this is literally a false quote.
I have never said this before on a forum: you are lying. I have lost any respect I might have had for you, since you are willing to immorally lie in order to try to support your ridiculous beliefs.
The quote is:John 1:1-5 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
You’re showing your ignorance again mate, I will not say that you are a lying person, but only an ignorant one. The Greek “Logos,” which is defined by the early Greeks as the divine animating principle that is inherent in all things, has been erroneously translated to English as “The Word.”
Now you may express all the information that you have gathered throughout your lifetime in the words that you speak, but the ‘Logos’ to whom all the information over the aeons of eternity is gathered, express’ that information in the creation itself.
Before all things were made by the ‘Logos’ who is God, without whom nothing was made that was made, there was nothing but the life-force (Logos) and the mind, or the gathered information of that life-force (God) and the two were one, a singularity, for nothing else existed.
Originally Posted by S-word
‘Days,’ can rightfully be interpreted as periods of time and do not refer in this instance to a twenty four hour day.
Quote,,,Imagist...Another, even more blatant, lie:
From the Book of Jubilees 4: 29, “And at the close of the nineteenth Jubilee, in the seventh week in the sixth year thereof Adam died.____ And he lacked 70 years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day that you eat thereof ye shall die,’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.”
DAY, GREAT, OF BRAHMA:- A symbol of a manvantara or cycle of manifestation--- The “Great Day” is preceded, and also followed, by a period of inactivity,--pralaya . Only an ignorant fool would not accept that “DAY” can be and is used as an indefinite period of time.
Quote,,,Imagist...To me, this is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever written on a forum. I have never so directly come in contact with religion causing immoral behavior. Up until now I have believed that the majority of religious people were merely naive or under pressure from their peers (I was both when I was religious) and that their intentions, at least, were pure. This post leads me to question that belief. I can only interpret S-word's blatant and complete dishonesty as being the result of malicious intent
Quote...S-word...Genesis 2: 4, “These are the generations of the universe.”
The Hebrew word used here is ‘toledoth,’ which is used only in reference to descendants, as in, “These are the generations of Adam,” or “These are the generations of Abraham”
Quote,,,Imagist...Genesis 2: 4, This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-
I don’t know what erroneous translation you have quoted from ‘Imagist,’ but the KJV which translates the original Hebrew ‘toledoth’ as ‘Generations’ in Genesis 2: 4, is correct, Get yourself a reliable concordance to the Bible. And your nitpicking and twisting of everything that is said, is due simply to the fact that you are ignorant. And God cursed neither the creation nor mankind, but ignorance and ignorance alone.
And so, for the final time, "Bye, bye buddy."
Where in the body is the mind located?
Is the Black Hole theory the same as the cyclical universe theory?
What was the original Greek word that has been translated into English as "The Word"?
Does the Bible state that the Logos and God are one?
Can the term "DAY" be used in cases when speaking of an indefinite time period?
See in ‘today’s posts’, the Tread, “Your answer please.”
You’re lying again! The ‘heat-death’ theory of the universe is when the universe has reached a state of maximum entropy; this theory is not the black hole theory even though it begins with the Big Bang.
The ‘cold death’ theory is when the universe continues to expand forever; again, this theory is not the Black Hole theory, even though it begins with a Big Bang.
The cyclical universal theory is when the universe goes through an eternal process of Big Bangs and Big Crunches, or in other words, the Physical universe oscillates between a state of being to non-being then back to being again, this theory also is not the black hole theory even though it begins with a Big Bang. According to your reckoning, every theory that begins with a Big Bang, are all the same theory which is that of the black hole, ‘rubbish’.
Quote S-word..... John 1, “In the beginning was the ‘Logos’ and the Logos was God, the singularity from who all things were made, and by who, all things were made, and for who all things exist, and without the Logos was not anything made that was made.
Quote,,,Imagist...If you wrote this as a quote for any journal or newspaper, you would go to jail or at least pay a large fine, because this is literally a false quote.
I have never said this before on a forum: you are lying. I have lost any respect I might have had for you, since you are willing to immorally lie in order to try to support your ridiculous beliefs.
The quote is:John 1:1-5 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.
You’re showing your ignorance again mate, I will not say that you are a lying person, but only an ignorant one. The Greek “Logos,” which is defined by the early Greeks as the divine animating principle that is inherent in all things, has been erroneously translated to English as “The Word.”
Now you may express all the information that you have gathered throughout your lifetime in the words that you speak, but the ‘Logos’ to whom all the information over the aeons of eternity is gathered, express’ that information in the creation itself.
Before all things were made by the ‘Logos’ who is God, without whom nothing was made that was made, there was nothing but the life-force (Logos) and the mind, or the gathered information of that life-force (God) and the two were one, a singularity, for nothing else existed.
Originally Posted by S-word
‘Days,’ can rightfully be interpreted as periods of time and do not refer in this instance to a twenty four hour day.
Quote,,,Imagist...Another, even more blatant, lie:
From the Book of Jubilees 4: 29, “And at the close of the nineteenth Jubilee, in the seventh week in the sixth year thereof Adam died.____ And he lacked 70 years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ‘On the day that you eat thereof ye shall die,’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.”
DAY, GREAT, OF BRAHMA:- A symbol of a manvantara or cycle of manifestation--- The “Great Day” is preceded, and also followed, by a period of inactivity,--pralaya . Only an ignorant fool would not accept that “DAY” can be and is used as an indefinite period of time.
Quote,,,Imagist...To me, this is one of the most disturbing posts I have ever written on a forum. I have never so directly come in contact with religion causing immoral behavior. Up until now I have believed that the majority of religious people were merely naive or under pressure from their peers (I was both when I was religious) and that their intentions, at least, were pure. This post leads me to question that belief. I can only interpret S-word's blatant and complete dishonesty as being the result of malicious intent
Quote...S-word...Genesis 2: 4, “These are the generations of the universe.”
The Hebrew word used here is ‘toledoth,’ which is used only in reference to descendants, as in, “These are the generations of Adam,” or “These are the generations of Abraham”
Quote,,,Imagist...Genesis 2: 4, This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens-
I don’t know what erroneous translation you have quoted from ‘Imagist,’ but the KJV which translates the original Hebrew ‘toledoth’ as ‘Generations’ in Genesis 2: 4, is correct, Get yourself a reliable concordance to the Bible. And your nitpicking and twisting of everything that is said, is due simply to the fact that you are ignorant. And God cursed neither the creation nor mankind, but ignorance and ignorance alone.
And so, for the final time, "Bye, bye buddy."
Where in the body is the mind located?
Is the Black Hole theory the same as the cyclical universe theory?
What was the original Greek word that has been translated into English as "The Word"?
Does the Bible state that the Logos and God are one?
Can the term "DAY" be used in cases when speaking of an indefinite time period?
See in ‘today’s posts’, the Tread, “Your answer please.”
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Imagist
Worshipper of Athe.
I am not going to respond to your first statement because as long as you insist on outright lies, there's no point in me discussing the points which you merely don't understand.
I know what logos means, and that it could arguably be translated as something other than "the word". If you believe that it can be translated as "the divine animating principle that is inherent in all things", you are wrong, but that I could tolerate, because you are simply misinformed.
What I cannot tolerate is the direct lie that the verse says anything about a singularity, or that is says that all things were made for the "logos". You inserted these words. They were not there before, in any language or in any form. That is a misquotation and a lie.
You also misquoted me in the following quote that I posted, so I will again post my previous quote of your blatant and obvious lie.
In any case, I'm done with this thread. I am willing to argue with ignorant people. I am not willing to argue with people who maliciously and dishonestly misquote the bible to support their own agenda.
For anyone who wishes to verify that I have been entirely truthful in my quotation of the bible and that S-word has been lying, the bible is available freely at BibleGateway.com, where you can look up John 1 and Genesis 2. You will see that S-word's quotations of these verses are lies.
S-word said:
I know what logos means, and that it could arguably be translated as something other than "the word". If you believe that it can be translated as "the divine animating principle that is inherent in all things", you are wrong, but that I could tolerate, because you are simply misinformed.
What I cannot tolerate is the direct lie that the verse says anything about a singularity, or that is says that all things were made for the "logos". You inserted these words. They were not there before, in any language or in any form. That is a misquotation and a lie.
You also misquoted me in the following quote that I posted, so I will again post my previous quote of your blatant and obvious lie.
Imagist said:
In any case, I'm done with this thread. I am willing to argue with ignorant people. I am not willing to argue with people who maliciously and dishonestly misquote the bible to support their own agenda.
For anyone who wishes to verify that I have been entirely truthful in my quotation of the bible and that S-word has been lying, the bible is available freely at BibleGateway.com, where you can look up John 1 and Genesis 2. You will see that S-word's quotations of these verses are lies.