DOW 20 Thousand?

[ShivaFan]

The Trump rally which started the morning after he won Pennsylvania and the Presidency continues, and we now busted 19 thousand on the DOW.

I've made over a yacht full of capital gains over the last three days. My strategy right now is to buy Infrastructure ETFs as Trump plans on moving on infrastructure projects, so that may be a consideration to some strategic investors.

But what was amazing was, this morning on one of those business-financial shows, some guy was predicting a Trump DOW 20 Thousand by next Christmas!

Wow! I am not so sure about that, but it sure would be something. I mean, even I could be thinking this could happen even though my general gut is otherwise. No doubt, the Trump win is a huge relief from the Hillary disaster. But we need to see the GDP at 4 percent to start to really get out of this Obama mess.

So DOW 20 THOUSAND isn't just wishful, it can happen as this is from people who aren't just trying to sell something, who are typically very cautious. However, if that Yellen starts raising interest rates you may want to get out of gold.

Also, I am watching the Permian Basin. First came the Apache hit on shale, then the huge Pioneer oil hit - second only to Saudi's biggest producing oil field. And we got so much oil we can beat out Saudi as the exporter of oil - literally the USA can become the number one exporter of oil (this case WTI) in the world beating out Saudi Arabia even, and no doubt Trump is going to lift any strangleholds on exports.

But of course this means oil will be cheaper than water. But if the US and Canadian oil companies can get enough customers world wide, they can make a profit on exports. But in the short term, oil companies will likely further suffer. But don't count out a rebound in about 2 years from now. Just something to think about. And right now, it looks like the Saudis are going to cut back production to push up the price per barrel.

The dollar is getting even more stronger. This opens up consideration to buy ETFs that bet on a strong dollar - I already bought one of these prior to the election. These type of ETFs are likely to rally.

This is going to be a great Thanksgiving and Christmas! Fill my Christmas stocking sock up, Mr. Trump, and let's also see jobs in 2017 in Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Texas and Wiscinsin.

 

[Kemosloby]

The Trump rally which started the morning after he won Pennsylvania and the Presidency continues, and we now busted 19 thousand on the DOW.

I've made over a yacht full of capital gains over the last three days. My strategy right now is to buy Infrastructure ETFs as Trump plans on moving on infrastructure projects, so that may be a consideration to some strategic investors.

But what was amazing was, this morning on one of those business-financial shows, some guy was predicting a Trump DOW 20 Thousand by next Christmas!

Wow! I am not so sure about that, but it sure would be something. I mean, even I could be thinking this could happen even though my general gut is otherwise. No doubt, the Trump win is a huge relief from the Hillary disaster. But we need to see the GDP at 4 percent to start to really get out of this Obama mess.

So DOW 20 THOUSAND isn't just wishful, it can happen as this is from people who aren't just trying to sell something, who are typically very cautious. However, if that Yellen starts raising interest rates you may want to get out of gold.

Also, I am watching the Permian Basin. First came the Apache hit on shale, then the huge Pioneer oil hit - second only to Saudi's biggest producing oil field. And we got so much oil we can beat out Saudi as the exporter of oil - literally the USA can become the number one exporter of oil (this case WTI) in the world beating out Saudi Arabia even, and no doubt Trump is going to lift any strangleholds on exports.

But of course this means oil will be cheaper than water. But if the US and Canadian oil companies can get enough customers world wide, they can make a profit on exports. But in the short term, oil companies will likely further suffer. But don't count out a rebound in about 2 years from now. Just something to think about. And right now, it looks like the Saudis are going to cut back production to push up the price per barrel.

The dollar is getting even more stronger. This opens up consideration to buy ETFs that bet on a strong dollar - I already bought one of these prior to the election. These type of ETFs are likely to rally.

This is going to be a great Thanksgiving and Christmas! Fill my Christmas stocking sock up, Mr. Trump, and let's also see jobs in 2017 in Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Texas and Wiscinsin.

Sounds like they're pumping up the dow before dumping. Every bubble has a bust.

 

[Sunstone]

It would be great if a soaring stock market meant much to the middle and lower classes -- but we all know how unlikely that is to be the case. For the nearly the past decade the market has gone up on average while real wages for the middle and lower classes have stagnated or declined.

 

[David1967]

The Trump rally which started the morning after he won Pennsylvania and the Presidency continues, and we now busted 19 thousand on the DOW.

I've made over a yacht full of capital gains over the last three days. My strategy right now is to buy Infrastructure ETFs as Trump plans on moving on infrastructure projects, so that may be a consideration to some strategic investors.

But what was amazing was, this morning on one of those business-financial shows, some guy was predicting a Trump DOW 20 Thousand by next Christmas!

Wow! I am not so sure about that, but it sure would be something. I mean, even I could be thinking this could happen even though my general gut is otherwise. No doubt, the Trump win is a huge relief from the Hillary disaster. But we need to see the GDP at 4 percent to start to really get out of this Obama mess.

So DOW 20 THOUSAND isn't just wishful, it can happen as this is from people who aren't just trying to sell something, who are typically very cautious. However, if that Yellen starts raising interest rates you may want to get out of gold.

Also, I am watching the Permian Basin. First came the Apache hit on shale, then the huge Pioneer oil hit - second only to Saudi's biggest producing oil field. And we got so much oil we can beat out Saudi as the exporter of oil - literally the USA can become the number one exporter of oil (this case WTI) in the world beating out Saudi Arabia even, and no doubt Trump is going to lift any strangleholds on exports.

But of course this means oil will be cheaper than water. But if the US and Canadian oil companies can get enough customers world wide, they can make a profit on exports. But in the short term, oil companies will likely further suffer. But don't count out a rebound in about 2 years from now. Just something to think about. And right now, it looks like the Saudis are going to cut back production to push up the price per barrel.

The dollar is getting even more stronger. This opens up consideration to buy ETFs that bet on a strong dollar - I already bought one of these prior to the election. These type of ETFs are likely to rally.

This is going to be a great Thanksgiving and Christmas! Fill my Christmas stocking sock up, Mr. Trump, and let's also see jobs in 2017 in Michigan, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Texas and Wiscinsin.

Great news for my IRA. I figured it would come back up after the markets adjusted to the new president elect. This is pretty normal isn't it? But 20,000? WOW!!!

 

[ShivaFan]

Stocks post a 3 week win streak as major indexes post record highs as the Trump rally continues. Every single index hitting record highs, the post election enthusiasm over the Trump victory has consumer confidence at an all time "sense of relief" high and many are curious to see if this Black Friday Matters.

But one reminder - all the good news also means more excuse by Yellen to raise interest rates for her banker friends. She hasn't even done this yet, and the mortgage interest rates are already rising in anticipation she will do so.

For this reason, if you are thinking about getting a home mortgage loan or refinancing, you better do it now because the rates are going up. Right now it is 3.50% if you have a great credit report, up from 3.12% just a few days ago. Unfortunately, most new mortgage loans also want a large down payment but there are still deals out there. Decide now or forget it.

If Yellen starts to raise rates, this IMHO will hurt most REITs and home purchases but obviously - but not measurably as far as inverse trends - CDs will eventually become attractive again. But in no way is attractive CDs going to be anything to celebrate but rather just some place to try and put and "protect the money".

Some of the interest rate hikes have already been priced into the market. But not a more aggressive tightening by the Fed. One clear upside however in the amazing Trump rally is now seeing overnight the fastest rise in incoming new orders in business, service and supply sectors for 12 months.

If Yellen falls over dead from fatty tissues there is a chance a rate hike is put off, but likely she will continue to sit on that chair and get fatter still.

Yet the Trump rally continues and the nation hasn't been this optomistic in years - decades. Simple optimism often has a life of it's own. The DOW closed at 19,152 on Friday - amazing - but the Market doesn't equate American happiness and can be very deceptive. Do not ever measure America by the DOW - there are mixed messages as sectors just trade places as one falls and another rises. But it is becoming clear that Americans are in fact suddenly becoming much happier, and on the job front there is an increase suddenly in confidence. That is going to be the most important measure and time will soon tell. Yet in this case the rise in the DOW is falling into place in the right areas that do bray better livelihood for Americans. The cheap labor interests will be in full hysterics now to attack Trump even more than before with total criminal methods even because they do not like seeing better times and woe the rise in confidence, but they have their own problems in that most other business of which outnumber the Chamber want to see a recovery for America and don't give a damn about the cheap labor oligarchs losing power. In fact, a "counter attack" is already being seen and money is ready to be spent to counter the plots of the Chamber on a vast plain of fronts and includes legal muscle. Most are predicting an even greater rally the day after Trump raises his hand to take the oath as the world of the sore losers collapses before them.

Some of them know what is coming for them - a proverbial shaving of their heads to be marched in disgrace before jeering angry crowds of the hidden man now having a cocktail of revenge and pelting them with a lot of little pebbles that get a bit bigger. Revenge is not a good sehtiment. But it won't be controlled very soon. For some, it is enough to live for. The losers will be very surprised. Fat and surprised and about to lose a few pounds.

 

[ShivaFan]

After 3 weeks of analysis of investments to composite a 2017 strategy, with the bulk of the work post-election because of obvious reasons, my conclusion is that Trump is correct regarding the de-industrialization and trade policy that has from my analysis hurt the US in terms of jobs – and as well in terms of investment opportunity – and he needs to move forward in his agenda.

From an investment viewpoint, those touting some horror story about “trade wars” in order to attack what is really needed policy changes, the real horror story is how key industries have been hurt by over a decade of policy largely influenced by the cheap labor interests who identify more as globalists who selfishly engage in their own form of trade protectionism specifically for their sector or business to the demise of all other sectors and to the demise of jobs and overall stable and growing markets.

Just looking at the charts it became clear the gains of some key power brokers for very select retail and computer operations, any such gains were notably offset by the losses in other sectors and notably in the overall economy that also impacts these sectors as well and in the buying power of America and in jobs.

There is no question from what I am looking at, if we want to see the biggest, best gains in growth – which also couples jobs in this case - US wants the biggest boost to growth, the gains in industries that will benefit in high value-added through truly fair trade and not the fake “fair trade” promoted by these specific globalist and self-serving interests, would also include a more diverse and equitable portfolio of computer and electronic businesses including smaller operations seeing notable growth inside the US, in the automobile industry, in industrial parts and exports of such materials, and we would see a huge upswing in domestic textile and apparel which would reap benefits in regards to US GDP that would spur these businesses across the US based markets and in terms of the benefits in real money, real investment opportunity and jobs would far exceed the benefits of select self-serving cheap labor interests. I see numbers for example in apparel that would exceed 36 billion dollars in short order and in terms of jobs that alone would also spur the market even higher and drive towards zero unemployment. It does not matter if some cheap labor interests find themselves paying for more expensive labor – their benefits currently in terms of hurting the US based industry while claiming to “provide jobs” as they sell cheaper goods is clearly of little benefit and has actually hurt the overall economy and markets in terms of the United States, what I am seeing is the benefits of Trump’s proposals far exceed the cheap labor lobby claims of real money and good markets over all. The cost of the damages to so many US industries and deindustrialization and in jobs which feeds into the overall GDP and the markets is simply more than disturbing. The benefits of reversing this spell out GDP growth and a return to a robust but stable economy and markets on a truly growth perspective and a better, diverse, growth for investors.

I also agree with Trump when looking at the numbers and strategy for investment into 2017 and beyond, Trump’s pro-infrastructure projects will feed a reindustrialization trend, and the infrastructure agenda which uses government spending to kick start things will create more incentive for investors that offset the concern of debt and in fact will help to pay down this debt, and will also result in huge benefits for investors who can invest in infrastructure related business and funds. There is no question about it, this will also drive a positive uplift to the markets for the USA. TPP is not good for investors, a continuation of the cheap labor agenda is causing notable damage to the US and in key sectors of the economy overall and only benefit a select group of interests and even within the same sector that sees benefit so many others within the same sector find their business destroyed and no chance to build up their own hopes for offering products. The cheap labor interests have also caused in large part the instability we see in the markets themselves, and in currency manipulation that makes things even more unstable and risky. We often hear “the market doesn’t like uncertainty”. That is true, and also true is the market doesn’t like instability which the cheap labor globalists have fed and which results in even less diversity of investment opportunity. Instability is certainly also uncertainty.

 

[ShivaFan]

Janet Yellen's (D) attempt to sabotage the Trump Rally by raising interest rates yesterday .25% has appeared to have failed, the DOW is on the upswing today and marching to 20 thousand.

There are times to raise the interest rates, but the logistics of what Yellen was trying to do has nothing to do with that. As Obama leaves, Yellen (D) sees that the Trump agenda is not only driving enthusiasm, Trump is already impacting the Nationalist agenda positively in stopping the displacement of American jobs to China and Mexico etc.. This displacement of both jobs as well as industrial plants etc. benefits a select cartel of globalist elites and corporate "business" but also displaces and undermines other competition, business and industry - this globalism is in fact a form of cannibalism and creation of monopoly. Only these crony capitalists are given the "paperwork" which is heavily tied into other corruption in foreign states.

The real agenda of Yellen (D) is to cause the dollar to become too strong, which is not good. In the example of China and Mexico, this agenda allows China to more easily manipulate their own currency and weaken the Yuan, in the case of Mexico the Peso weakens, both to the point that it incentivizes the relocation and/or building of factories/business in China and Mexico and accelerates displacement of American jobs.

This is exactly what Yellen wants to do, because (1) it benefits her cheap labor plutocracy, and (2) undermines Trump success, Trump rally, hurts Americans, hurts the economy, which the Democratic Party MSM wants so they can then say "see, Trump failed, economy bad, jobs going overseas" yadda to too many of the masses who do not even know who Yellen is or what she even did on behalf of Obama, Hillary and both the Democratic and Republican establishment.

She already said she will do this a minimum of 3 more times, probably more, so what she will do is each time the Trump Rally drives the markets higher and the economy booms and Americans get Trump jobs, this operative will come out and increasingly raise interest rates to try and tear down the Rally, pull down the markets, incentivize displacement of Americans from their jobs and get as many companies to build in China and Mexico as possible in order to hurt Americans which is exactly the agenda by the Democratic Party and the GOPe establishment such as McCain, Graham and other cheap labor surrogates.

But it looks like even this agenda of sabotage is not going to work. The Trump economy seems it will be victorious for the mainstream and for workers, the global elites are in serious panic.

GM CEO just announced 1 hour ago they will locate a new autonomous automobile factory and testing laboratory in Michigan which is going to bring American Workers jobs, the string of Trump victories continues.

Globalisation as in the form of the Clinton and Bush "dynasty" and operatives such as Obama and others was never intended to work for people especially poor people, but to extract as much money and profit from everywhere in the world and sheltered from taxes thereby. It is only the globalization of capital into the hands of a plutocracy aligned with government (crony capitalism) and the fragmentation of humanity and not "stronger together".

This globalisation is nothing more than a way of protecting these specific "giants" in "industry" as monopoly and to subject any pesky sovereign governments that might - even dare despite rarely - want to protect the populations they govern from the depredations of the globalists. The best option in this case for such "leaders" of such sovereign "government" is to join the team as kleptocrats.

The Hillary agenda was Kleptocracy. The inequality between economies has offered the kleptocrats a different set of pros and cons they can twist, including arbitrage, where they gain or lose cheap exploitative labor and generally gained in cheap mass-produced goods that are only cheap in the short term but once the chains are put into place will be very expensive indeed for "those who eat".

But just because these people have been doing well so far does not mean they are necessarily "smart". They think they control as they are "smart", but maybe they are not so smart, no smarter than most people, they might also be a bit delusional. Not everyone, not even a lot of people, will cooperate. It isn't as easy as imagined. They are not very far from the abyss even if they do not understand.

These globalists definitely favor China over Russia - in fact they want to go to war with Russia. BUT they are actually not so smart. Just "comfy" and sort of stupid.

For example, not saying it will happen, but it COULD happen, let us say the Chinese one day have enough purchasing power that they can start buying their OWN goods en masse which they manufacture.

That means, with the increase of demand will outpace the supply - and suddenly Americans find Made in China, Made in Mexico WAY more expensive for low quality products. And these Americans will have already been displaced or told they must train the "foregners" than lose their jobs. The Chinese and Mexico will dump their pollution and "unwanted" here in the US (and Canada... and Europe).

People will look at the friends of the globalists in government and say "give us the list of names or we are going to kill you". They will get the list of names.

What comes around, goes around.

 

[ShivaFan]

I perfectly understand that the markets are not for everyone, nor are they necessarily an indicator of "economic greatness" and many have been left behind.

Also, indicators such as the DOW can be VERY deceiving due to currency manipulations and does not mean the economy is "great" - but what we are looking at right now since the Trump election is a great year ending, and I think for those who are interested in making some money we are going to see steady growth into 2017, we will hit 20k, and soon be talking about 21k.

Stay away from long term bonds, you might start to think about small cap which there is some risk but poised also for the fastest and most notable gains on a rally. Consider Industrials, Infrastructure and more traditional type of investments. Consider bullish S&P 500 ETFs. Avoid gold as we see interest rate hikes. Bullish dollar ETFs will do well under rising interest rates. Oil will lose it's current momentum, I would avoid it.

Dow Posts 13% Gain for 2016; S&P 500 Jumps 9% and Nasdaq Rises 7% for Year

 

[ShivaFan]

House speaker Paul Ryan signaled yesterday he now gives support for public works spending and wants an infrastructure package "as expansive as possible". Another huge win for Trump, it is incredible his string of victories and he has been in office as President for only a few days. The economy is already improving dramatically, I wouldn't be surprised if we hit DOW 20 thousand much earlier than I expected! Jobs, jobs, jobs already, it is so exciting and jobs - REAL JOBS not McDonalds - is the true measure. President Trump is keeping his every word like lock step and seems to have his opposition in the Republican establishment under control and cowered.

Next he is sending the Feds into Chicago if the violence isn't stopped in the next four months. He also signaled a strong stance against illegal gatecrashers, a wall - not a fence - to begin, and to implement a works project for legal vetted migrant workers. Many of the terrorists are US born and Europe is an example of the mistakes we (the US) do not want to make but were on the track to, Americans clearly do not want to be Germany, while Trump headlines on CNN is advocacy of fake news trying to call the President a "Nazi" yet it is the Democratic Party as seen by most Americans as the problematic party that wants obese corrupt government, the majority of Americans are clearly supporting Trump whose support seems to be growing literally each day.

All these things, even seemingly unrelated to "economics", is in fact impacting the economy in a positive way like a domino effect. DOW 20K seems coming sooner than folks thought.

 

[metis]

It's great that it's hit 20 thousand, but where were those kudos from Republicans when the DOW almost tripled under Obama from where it was when he took office?

So, now Trump has been in office for a bit over a week, and yet we are now to believe that he's some sort of economic miracle worker?

 

[ShivaFan]

Wow, in the morning I posted that the DOW would hit 20K even sooner than thought, and then it did hit 20,000 the same day!

I swear to God, I have ESP. And all Trump has to do is start moving his mouth now and the markets climb even higher. He is now the Kingfisher, the Big Kahuna when it comes to and for American jobs.

The S&P 500 is doing even more amazingly well than the DOW, but the real numbers are in the details - since President Trump was elected, the stock market gained $2 trillion in wealth. Amazing. I made enough frm my investments since Trump won the election to buy a new home if I wanted to, but I am going to focus on the following for even great gains, in order of money in each:

Bullish S&P 500 ETFs
Bullish Dollar ETF
Industrials
Copper
Steel
Financials
Materials
Defense and Aerospace

Trump is an economic miracle worker after only one week in office, getting so much done it really reinforces Obama's image as a lazy golfing freeloader too much full of himself. Trump's approval rating is now 57% after only one week in office. And now with the tax cuts coming, we are for sure going to see yet another 1000 point spike. Get in now and make big money with the Medicine Man Donald.

 

[YmirGF]

Wow, in the morning I posted that the DOW would hit 20K even sooner than thought, and then it did hit 20,000 the same day!

I swear to God, I have ESP. And all Trump has to do is start moving his mouth now and the markets climb even higher. He is now the Kingfisher, the Big Kahuna when it comes to and for American jobs.

The S&P 500 is doing even more amazingly well than the DOW, but the real numbers are in the details - since President Trump was elected, the stock market gained $2 trillion in wealth. Amazing. I made enough frm my investments since Trump won the election to buy a new home if I wanted to, but I am going to focus on the following for even great gains, in order of money in each:

Bullish S&P 500 ETFs
Bullish Dollar ETF
Industrials
Copper
Steel
Financials
Materials
Defense and Aerospace

Trump is an economic miracle worker after only one week in office, getting so much done it really reinforces Obama's image as a lazy golfing freeloader too much full of himself. Trump's approval rating is now 57% after only one week in office. And now with the tax cuts coming, we are for sure going to see yet another 1000 point spike. Get in now and make big money with the Medicine Man Donald.

Sage advice for those who can afford the ride.