Nymphs
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Libraries are a legal form of theft if you think of it. They allow CD's to be borrowed (and ripped), they allow computer games to be borrowed, etc. It relates, even if you can understand how it does.
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DRM/Copy-Protection/Anti-Piracy measures
- Thread starter Riverwolf
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Libraries are a legal form of theft if you think of it. They allow CD's to be borrowed (and ripped), they allow computer games to be borrowed, etc. It relates, even if you can understand how it does.
Wait, what?! I wanna go to YOUR libraries! Mine don't have anything video-game related!
It is, however, worth noting that ripping CDs or DVDs borrowed from the library is still technically illegal, just as making photocopies of a book would be. It's also not a "legal form of theft"; libraries involve clear agreements between all parties in how long something is allowed out, no guarantee of quality or functionality, and that if something is overdue, a fine is paid. Theft has no agreements or understanding between all parties; it's just taking something not legally yours without consent of the legal owner.
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Nymphs
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When I was a child, they had all sorts of PC & Mac games available -- it has been awhile since I've visited that sections of the libraries, so they may not carry them as they once did.
Understandable, but, if Mister Emu is going to have a problem with digital downloads, I would think he would have a problem with libraries loaning out CD's and content that you can consider digital -- especially when it can be copied.
They can be copied, but when you check something out from the library, there's an agreement being made between you, the library, and the copyright holder: you won't.
Besides, not all digital downloads are illegal.
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
They can be copied, but when you check something out from the library, there's an agreement being made between you, the library, and the copyright holder: you won't.
Do you think 90% of the population actually realizes they agreed to it? Even if they do, most aren't going to abide by it.
Whether they're aware of the agreement, or intend to abide by it, isn't relevant to what I'm saying.
The point is: libraries are not akin to illegal software sharing, or stealing. The former has a stated agreement between all parties; the latter two don't.
It's why we have a distinction between borrowing and stealing in the first place.
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
I see the line as a grey spot instead of black and white. So, we can agree to disagree. I'm still trying to find that video I was looking at sharing. It really explains in-depth and much better than I do the idea that I'm trying to get across.
DreadFish
Cosmic Vagabond
Yeah, that's exactly it. It's obvious bull ****.
Blizzard got away with it in Diablo III, but luckily EA didn't get away with it on Sim City 5.
They underestimate our intelligence over and over again. Especially since a modder got Sim City 5 working offline within two weeks of release, while Maxis took a full year to achieve the same thing.
DreadFish
Cosmic Vagabond
There are always smart, ingenious people who will get around any kind of restrictions in the digital realm.
dust1n
Zindīq
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It isn't just a wish, it is a right.
Um, no.
Where on earth did you get the idea that I have a problem with digital downloads?
Libraries have lending agreements with both creators and consumers... Riverwolf already covered that.
But how many people actually know that it's illegal to rip CDs you've checked out from the library? You're not told that when you get a library card or at any other point.
Nymphs
Well-Known Member
How are they not?
Often they are not followed. Which rosy world do you live in where they are?
It's probably tucked away in those long lists of words that has the "I agree" button that everyone just clicks on without reading.
All I'm saying is that borrowing and stealing aren't the same thing, conceptually.
There's no "I agree" button when it comes to the library. You just sign up for the card, get the card and use it to check things out. They don't ask you to sign any agreements and don't care what you do with the material while you have it as long as you return it on time and undamaged.
There's probably something, or supposed to be something, in the CD case itself, or in the Audiobook beginning or ending. Sort of like how movies always have those warnings at the beginning.
So then we shouldn't rip CDs at all? Well, I guess we should all toss our MP3 players into the garbage, eh?
Only if you don't legally own the CD.