Drug addiction and legalization

[GoodAttention]

Sure, but certainly you recognize also that one is worse then the other..............

Also, pretty much anything can result in "psychological dependence".

So why did you say cannabis isn’t addictive?

Explain.

I used to be a real pothead. Stoned every day.
Many of my friends were the same.
Sure, the sample size isn't enough to count as statistically sound, but I haven't seen any studies that contradicted our experiences. I have seen many that confirmed it.

So I'm interested in hearing what you mean exactly by "abuse, dependency, tolerance, and withdrawal". It's a little vague.

Cannabis use disorder is in the DSM 5 if you want to read it.

But it isn't addictive....................
When we say things are addictive, we talk about physical addiction. You know, like cigarettes, alcohol, heroine, etc....
The type of addiction where you have literal physical withdrawal symptoms of literally being ill and stuff.

Sure, weed is "addictive". In the same sense that gaming is addictive or jogging, or.... anything can be addictive on a psychological / habit level.


Believe you me, I have smoked mountains of weed during my college days. Not once did I experience any "withdrawal" symptoms.
Personally, I don't even feel like I ever had psychological addiction either.

I’m remembering why I don’t engage in your comments.

 

[Riders]

So why did you say cannabis isn’t addictive?



Cannabis use disorder is in the DSM 5 if you want to read it.



I’m remembering why I don’t engage in your comments.

I was raised up in Alcoholics Anonymous, and sometimes my mother would go to Narcotics Anonymous meetings, we saw way more heroin addicts and speed freaks then potheads. But even if I agreed that's it may be addictive psychologically what really matters is what they do when they are high. Alcohol and heroin relate car accidents are far higher than pot heads incidents, I don't ever hear anything about marijuana related domestic violence or car accidents.
Just because your addicted to something doesn't mean you need to be locked up. I'm an over eater want to call the cops. I am also a screen addict and addicted to phone games, but I don't have any consequences from that so sorry I am not stopping.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Alcohol and heroin relate car accidents are far higher than pot heads incidents, I don't ever hear anything about marijuana related domestic violence or car accidents.

Collisions involving marijuana impairment are definitely a thing, but they kinda get lost in the noise because:

- they make up a much smaller percentage of the impairment collisions than alcohol (though a lot of this is probably due to alcohol being way more widespread).

- not all police forces in the US are set up to confirm marijuana impairment. They probably have breathalyzers for alcohol, but for anything else, they may just be relying on some sort of roadside sobriety test, then lump anyone who fails it into a general "impaired" category without differentiating the source of the impairment.

- collision reporting forms generally don't have a check box for marijuana impairment the way they do for alcohol. The investigating officer will generally be checking off either "impaired - drugs" or "other" for driver condition, then mentioning marijuana in the comments. This limitation makes it hard to pull stats on marijuana-impaired collisions specifically, since you'd need to manually check each collision report.

Here in Canada, since marijuana usage is up with legalization, it's becoming more common for police to carry devices to test for marijuana impairment, and they are seeing that it's a problem. However, a lot of collisions involving marijuana are "multiple impairment" collisions... i.e. the driver was impaired by marijuana plus something else, typically alcohol.

 

[GoodAttention]

I was raised up in Alcoholics Anonymous, and sometimes my mother would go to Narcotics Anonymous meetings, we saw way more heroin addicts and speed freaks then potheads. But even if I agreed that's it may be addictive psychologically what really matters is what they do when they are high. Alcohol and heroin relate car accidents are far higher than pot heads incidents, I don't ever hear anything about marijuana related domestic violence or car accidents.
Just because your addicted to something doesn't mean you need to be locked up. I'm an over eater want to call the cops. I am also a screen addict and addicted to phone games, but I don't have any consequences from that so sorry I am not stopping.

I agree

 

[David Young]

For those who wish to invoke DSM 5, here is how it works:

"Hands up who wants to call this a disorder. One, two, three... two hundred and eight. All right. That's more than half of you. It's a disorder."

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So why did you say cannabis isn’t addictive?

It's explained later in the post. When we say of a substance that it is "addictive", we mean physical addiction.
The type of addiction where you have physical withdrawal symptoms (sick, shaking, sweating, etc).

Weed isn't addictive in that sense.

Weed is only addictive in behavioral / psychological sense. And in that sense, anything can be addictive. Like gambling, gaming, jogging,...

Cannabis use disorder is in the DSM 5 if you want to read it.

I'ld rather have you explain it.

I’m remembering why I don’t engage in your comments.

Okway.

 

[GoodAttention]

For those who wish to invoke DSM 5, here is how it works:

"Hands up who wants to call this a disorder. One, two, three... two hundred and eight. All right. That's more than half of you. It's a disorder."

You must be hanging out with Tom Cruise

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Cannabis use disorder is in the DSM 5 if you want to read it.

Learning About Cannabis Use Disorder

myhealth.alberta.ca

Looking at that list of criteria, we could just as well create a disorder called "gambling use disorder" or "phone use disorder" or "instagram use disorder" or "xbox use disorder" etc etc.


None of this seems to contradict anything I've said.

 

[David Young]

You must be hanging out with Tom Cruise

The first major pushback against psychiatry had nothing to do with religious nutters. It was simply the likes of Dr Szasz asking "What exactly are they saying and how is it different from nothing?".