Dumb Arguing

[Devotee]

Hello,

one thing i am beginning to not understand is why are there people trying to prove to others that God does or does not exist, this needs to stop. in reality we all dont know. and thats were faith comes in, and its not a bad thing, but some just dont have it in a God. but we are all wrong and all right at the same time, we cant prove to one another that god does or does not exist, therefore the arguments of this subject are useless. for those out there who advocate reasoning, why dont you reason that there is not enough sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the existence or non existence of God. and for those who believe in God, understand that just because you can prove to yourself that God exists doesnt mean you can prove it to the world.

i have proven to myself that Krsna exists, but i know that i cant prove it to the world, therefore i dont have arguments about his existence or non existence, and neither should i think you all should argue about God existing or non existing.

all of this is but a suggestion, because i know that the arguing WONT stop.

but thanks for reading anyway and i would love to read what you have to say!

 

[monta]

Do you consider my saying god does not exist to be arguing?

 

[Devotee]

Do you consider my saying god does not exist to be arguing?

no but i would say that it could ignite one.

 

[monta]

I feel perfectly comfortable for you to believe in the existence of krsna and don't feel any urge to compel you to stop. So no arguement from me.

 

[Devotee]

i feel perfectly comfortable for you to believe in the existence of krsna and don't feel any urge to compel you to stop. So no arguement from me.

yay!

 

[Riverwolf]

Hello,

one thing i am beginning to not understand is why are there people trying to prove to others that God does or does not exist, this needs to stop. in reality we all dont know. and thats were faith comes in, and its not a bad thing, but some just dont have it in a God. but we are all wrong and all right at the same time, we cant prove to one another that god does or does not exist, therefore the arguments of this subject are useless. for those out there who advocate reasoning, why dont you reason that there is not enough sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the existence or non existence of God. and for those who believe in God, understand that just because you can prove to yourself that God exists doesnt mean you can prove it to the world.

i have proven to myself that Krsna exists, but i know that i cant prove it to the world, therefore i dont have arguments about his existence or non existence, and neither should i think you all should argue about God existing or non existing.

all of this is but a suggestion, because i know that the arguing WONT stop.

but thanks for reading anyway and i would love to read what you have to say!

One of the reasons many people like to argue about whether or not God exists is because there are those who feel that a belief either way is important.

Many religious people believe that if you don't believe in God (as they see him/her/it), you're going to spend an eternity in hell; therefore, they see the need to "save" you from that fate.

Likewise, there are those who feel that if you do believe in ANY sort of God, you are irrational and therefore dangerous; therefore, they feel the need to "save" either you from such foolishness, or others from your foolishness.

I personally believe both stances are foolish.

 

[Devotee]

hey,

i fuller understand what you are saying riverwolf, but my main point is that you cant prove or disprove, so why argue. and for those who believe in hell, well you can prove or disprove that either. therefore the epitome of reason, to me, would come to the conclusion that we dont know there isnt enough evidence for either side, to prove to the world. but you can always prove it to yourself. but im not a devotee of reason, but of Krsna!

thank you.

 

[Father Heathen]

If a belief or ideal has any foundation in truth, then it should be able to weather critique and scrutiny.

 

[Devotee]

If a belief or ideal has any foundation in truth, then it should be able to weather critique and scrutiny.

your absolutely right. but too bad we really dont know the real truth, and if one of us does then we would still not be able to prove it to the world. like i believe that Krsna is apart of the divine truth and is a truly existant being but i cant PROVE that to you. so if any idea really does have a foundation in truth it would defiantly with stand anything, there you are right!

BTW, Father Heathan I LOVE YOUR AVATAR!

 

[Devotee]

Im not going to reply to this thread that i made any more. I only see that im preaching against Sri Krsna, while i should be preaching with him. I believe in Krsna and that all that matters. i apologize Sri Krsna.

 

[balloonbasket]

HI, Devotee. I think the problem is partly due to some religions telling their followers to go out and convert people. To except no other God but the one in their religion. It's some of the bible teachings that have to not be taught and there lies the crux.
Iv'e just started a thread on trying to see if people from diffrent religions could come together and accept each others diffrences.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Hello,

one thing i am beginning to not understand is why are there people trying to prove to others that God does or does not exist, this needs to stop. in reality we all dont know. and thats were faith comes in, and its not a bad thing, but some just dont have it in a God. but we are all wrong and all right at the same time, we cant prove to one another that god does or does not exist, therefore the arguments of this subject are useless. for those out there who advocate reasoning, why dont you reason that there is not enough sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the existence or non existence of God. and for those who believe in God, understand that just because you can prove to yourself that God exists doesnt mean you can prove it to the world.

i have proven to myself that Krsna exists, but i know that i cant prove it to the world, therefore i dont have arguments about his existence or non existence, and neither should i think you all should argue about God existing or non existing.

all of this is but a suggestion, because i know that the arguing WONT stop.

but thanks for reading anyway and i would love to read what you have to say!

If arguments about religion are a concern, it should be pointed out that there are many other sections of RF were such arguing is not permitted. This section is called "Religious Debates" because this is the place were such dialog is permitted and encouraged.

 

[Dunemeister]

hey,

i fuller understand what you are saying riverwolf, but my main point is that you cant prove or disprove, so why argue.

On this view, we should argue only about mathematics (at least that part of it that is provable - not all of it is). But of course that's not what you mean, I'm sure. It's worth reminding ourselves that nothing of philosophical or practical consequence to our lives is "provable." The debates and discussions are worth it because the issues are important. If we get this wrong, it matters.

therefore the epitome of reason, to me, would come to the conclusion that we dont know there isnt enough evidence for either side, to prove to the world. but you can always prove it to yourself. but im not a devotee of reason, but of Krsna!

You cannot "prove" to the world, no. But if my comments earlier are correct, that's not as important as it might seem. You can still offer reasons and arguments which, hopefully, find some purchase with the person you're talking with.

To me, the problem is not the unprovability of these things. Rather, it's the rather uncharitable tone with which we discuss them. Love covers a multitude of sins, including those of the intellect. So where we sincerely believe another person to be mistaken, even wildly so, even culpably so, we should still afford them the dignity that is their due as a human being.

 

[rageoftyrael]

You know, i've never had anyone tell me their personal experiences, but i honestly don't think it would matter. It's significance is only to them, since i think most of these experiences would not be considered godly by many. So really, personal experience is good only for the specific person, as you said. Others have said it well, we argue because it matters. Now, obviously, atheists aren't worried about our death, we mainly dislike religion, because we don't like people making decisions based off what they think their god wants. We want rational decision making. At least, i would say that is my biggest problem with religion. They control how their people think.

 

[painter49]

Hello,

one thing i am beginning to not understand is why are there people trying to prove to others that God does or does not exist, this needs to stop. in reality we all dont know. and thats were faith comes in, and its not a bad thing, but some just dont have it in a God. but we are all wrong and all right at the same time, we cant prove to one another that god does or does not exist, therefore the arguments of this subject are useless. for those out there who advocate reasoning, why dont you reason that there is not enough sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the existence or non existence of God. and for those who believe in God, understand that just because you can prove to yourself that God exists doesnt mean you can prove it to the world.

i have proven to myself that Krsna exists, but i know that i cant prove it to the world, therefore i dont have arguments about his existence or non existence, and neither should i think you all should argue about God existing or non existing.

all of this is but a suggestion, because i know that the arguing WONT stop.

but thanks for reading anyway and i would love to read what you have to say!

There is up and down , cold and hot, left and right, sad and happy etc.
It is the nature of our world.... therefore there has to be right and wrong, if I'm wrong I will die and turn to dust ... The End>>>> If I'm right I will live forever and experience the Glory of God

 

[Kilgore Trout]

There is up and down , cold and hot, left and right, sad and happy etc.
It is the nature of our world.... therefore there has to be right and wrong, if I'm wrong I will die and turn to dust ... The End>>>> If I'm right I will live forever and experience the Glory of God

Unless you bet on the wrong god. Considering that humans have invented thousands of gods over the millenia, your odds aren't so good.

 

[BucephalusBB]

therefore there has to be right and wrong, if I'm wrong I will die and turn to dust ... The End>>>> If I'm right I will live forever and experience the Glory of God

Funny, the same applies to everybody else.

So if the outcome is always the same, we might as well discuss it once in a while..

 

[Fortunato]

To me, the problem is not the unprovability of these things. Rather, it's the rather uncharitable tone with which we discuss them.

I wholeheartedly agree. I think the debate stems from the fact that once we've each had our own unique "eureka" moment, we think that if we just share what we know with others, they'll follow suit as well. Plus if you think you know the truth, then why not share it? I agree that the existence or not of god(s) can't be proven, but it doesn't stop people from trying. :yes:

 

[ChristineES]

I don't like to argue, but I do like debating. I like to debate because it is an excellent way to learn! Seeing how others answer questions is a way to see how others relate, and how it compares to how I and my family relates. I don't try to change anyone's beliefs, just let them know what it is I believe and read about what they believe or don't believe. I find it entertaining. When it turns into an argument, I usually shy away from the subject.
I haven't posting as much lately because the subject of whether or not God exists has been a bit overdone.