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Earth is much younger than previously thought

Skwim

Veteran Member
I just thought you wouldn't want to keep looking like a Jack *****... plus the fact that it fundamentally goes against your point about his science ignorance.
Hey, I admitted I was taken in by a Poe, and if that makes me a jack**** in your eyes so be it. I don't know you well enough to care---just so you know. ;)

Why does he have to be "special" to me? :areyoucra
Normally I would have assumed he doesn't; however, your staunch defense of him suggests he might be. I've simply never encountered this kind of assertive protection before.

I appreciate intelligent posters, doubly so when they are posting about evolution.
I find watching someone flail around attacking someone who should be seen as an ally in the science/anti-science movement pathetic, if not slightly depressing.
If you equate doubting a person's credibility---RedOne77 pretty much destroyed it by Poeing---with his position as an enemy, then I suggest you reexamine your concepts of each. By Poeing he proved himself untrustworthy, pure and simple. Maybe he does know his stuff, maybe not. You think he does. Good for you. But maybe you don't know what you're talking about. My problem in trust here is that RedOne77 acted in an irresponsible manner, and has yet to show me he knows anything at all about evolution. Now I see you sticking up for him to a most unusual degree, and assuming I should take your word for his abilities. A bit presumptuous because you've given me no reason to do so, but so be it. When I see both of you make good arguments for evolution I'll be able to agree with you, but until then, your word just doesn't cut it.

If you want to keep to your little bubble of superiority, that is your decision.
You confuse a bubble of superiority for caution that's arisen out of being stung by a Poe. Show yourselves worthy of the regard you say you deserve and I'll give to you both in spades. Until then . . . .
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Are you honestly that dense or are you merely trying to defend your position of ignorance by playing stupid?
I reserve the right to withhold praise and admiration until I see it's deserved. You, of course, can dole out praise and admiration as you please.

RedOne77 said:
That's fine. But I hope we can move past this Poe thing, and if you have a problem with anything I've said feel free to bring it up and we can discuss it. Sound good to you?
It does. I sincerely hope you're as well versed in science and are as able a defender of evolution as you've been touted to be. It's just that you got off on a very bad foot with me, which has put me in a wait-and-see position.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Hey, I admitted I was taken in by a Poe, and if that makes me a jack**** in your eyes so be it. I don't know you well enough to care---just so you know.
If you think that is what this is about you are a bit thick.
And I don't really care if you care either... isn't the internet a wonderful place. :D

Normally I would have assumed he doesn't; however, your staunch defense of him suggests he might be. I've simply never encountered this kind of assertive protection before.
Actually this started for your benefit not his.
It continues for your benefit... but you insist on missing the point.

If you equate doubting a person's credibility---RedOne77 pretty much destroyed it by Poeing---with his position as an enemy, then I suggest you reexamine your concepts of each.
Actually, I had issue with your utter lack of interest in looking past your own nose on this. You had plenty of opportunity to find out RedOnes actual scientific kowledge and you flatly refused to do so in order, I can only presume, to maintain your viewpoint.

By Poeing he proved himself untrustworthy, pure and simple.
or he proved himself as being possessed by an odd sense of humor. Such things are rarely "pure and simple".

Maybe he does know his stuff, maybe not. You think he does. Good for you. But maybe you don't know what you're talking about.
LOL! :biglaugh:

{quote] My problem in trust here is that RedOne77 acted in an irresponsible manner, and has yet to show me he knows anything at all about evolution. [/quote] You have been given a means to discover this without bogging down this thread... your refusal to do so reflects not on his responsibility, but on yours.

Now I see you sticking up for him to a most unusual degree, and assuming I should take your word for his abilities.
Actually I defend people quite often on these forums... for many reasons and in many different situations. Perhaps it's my wolfish nature or perhaps I'm just becoming a grey muzzle.

A bit presumptuous because you've given me no reason to do so, but so be it. When I see both of you make good arguments for evolution I'll be able to agree with you, but until then, your word just doesn't cut it.
Meh, I'm confident in my reputation and skill on this forum. Again, if you bothered to look around before you made declarations we would have perhaps avoided this.

You confuse a bubble of superiority for caution that's arisen out of being stung by a Poe. Show yourselves worthy of the regard you say you deserve and I'll give to you both in spades. Until then . . . .
Hardly... It arises out of your total lack of regard for evidence thus far presented to you. Your insistance on going on the attack when it is unwarranted (to anyone who has been a participant in the evo/creo culture of this forum for any length of time at least) is what brought this about.
I honestly don't care a flip if you think I'm worthy. Like I said the rep I've built so far speaks for itself and I'm sure will continue. You can keep your spades.

wa:do
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
If you think that is what this is about you are a bit thick.
And I don't really care if you care either...
And yet you go on and on and on and . . . .

Actually this started for your benefit not his.
It continues for your benefit... but you insist on missing the point.
A point residing in your imagination no less.

Actually, I had issue with your utter lack of interest in looking past your own nose on this. You had plenty of opportunity to find out RedOnes actual scientific kowledge and you flatly refused to do so . . .
BINGO! The dawn finally breaks. :clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

. . .in order, I can only presume, to maintain your viewpoint.
Not to maintain my view point, but because, as I already explained, I can't bring myself to care.

LOL! :biglaugh:
Come now. Surely you can mount a better defense than this, or am I dealing with some high school kid on summer break?

You have been given a means to discover this without bogging down this thread... .
"Hey judge. He started it all. I'm just an innocent bystander." :facepalm:


Meh, I'm confident in my reputation and skill on this forum. Again, if you bothered to look around before you made declarations we would have perhaps avoided this.
And again you think I should be going out of my way to establish people's credibility. Sorry, but I don't work that way. I simply let their posts do that. If you and RedOne77 are as adept as you say, it will come out sooner or later. So stop worrying about what I think of either of you. Surely I can't be that important to you. Can I?

Hardly... It arises out of your total lack of regard for evidence thus far presented to you. Your insistance on going on the attack when it is unwarranted (to anyone who has been a participant in the evo/creo culture of this forum for any length of time at least) is what brought this about.
Evidently my indifference and lack of trust come off as an attack. I can only say that I'm sorry that your need for my approval and trust is such that it's lack is perceived as an assault.

I honestly don't care a flip if you think I'm worthy.
Which is why you again made sure I know that . . .
. . . the rep I've built so far speaks for itself and I'm sure will continue.
My turn to :biglaugh:

You can keep your spades.
No problem.

Take care.
 
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McBell

Unbound
I reserve the right to withhold praise and admiration until I see it's deserved. You, of course, can dole out praise and admiration as you please.
You did not answer the question.

Care to try again?
Here is the question again just in case you lost track:
Are you honestly that dense or are you merely trying to defend your position of ignorance by playing stupid?​
 
SmileyROFLMAO.gif


I second that. :D
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
You did not answer the question.
Good eyesight there, Mestemia.


Care to try again?
Nope.

Here is the question again just in case you lost track:
Are you honestly that dense or are you merely trying to defend your position of ignorance by playing stupid?​
And have you stopped beating your wife, or whoever your S.O. is? (Please, please don't tell me you need this explained to you.)
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Not to maintain my view point, but because, as I already explained, I can't bring myself to care.
And yet you go on and on...

Come now. Surely you can mount a better defense than this, or am I dealing with some high school kid on summer break?
Teh... I missed the point where you are in any position to judge me. Perhaps it's on a thread I'll not bother to look at?

And again you think I should be going out of my way to establish people's credibility. Sorry, but I don't work that way. I simply let their posts do that. If you and RedOne77 are as adept as you say, it will come out sooner or later. So stop worrying about what I think of either of you. Surely I can't be that important to you. Can I?
Meh, I had no idea clicking a link was to taxing to you. But since it is apparently beyond you to read a couple of posts in a thread not immediately in front of you....

Evidently my indifference and lack of trust come off as an attack. I can only say that I'm sorry that your need for my approval and trust is such that it's lack is perceived as an assault.
Oh no.. it's your lack of intellectual honesty... and not an attack just a minor annoyance. Like when creo's do the same thing.

Anyway... I'm sure you will toddle off and enjoy the rest of the forums. :D

wa:do
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
By the way Darkendless... what is your take on this 'age of the Earth' thing? Have you had a chance to look into the actual paper?

wa:do
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
OK, Skwim & P Wolf....it's time for you both to get a room.
These repressed desires are becoming too testy.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
This just goes to show you that scientists have no idea what is they are doing. Next thing you know they'll be talking about how babies have their own language, how the human body emits visible light, or how the speed of light really has changed over the history of the universe. They don't know what they're doing, but God does. So read your Bible and toss out all of this scientific rubbish and put your faith in the creator.

When you say that we should toss out all of this scientific rubbish and put our faith in the creator, do you mean that we should believe the Genesis' account of the creation as interpretated according to the man's accummulated knowlege of the universe and its workings, some two thousand years ago, when it was believed that the cosmos was created in 6 literal 24 hour days, and that the earth was flat and it was the centre around which revolved the entire universe? Or should we believe the Genesis account as interpretated according to the accumulatae knowlge of today, which interpretation will change in the future as more incoming data of the working of the cosmos is accumulated by the mind of man?

I eat from the tables that are prepared by all the different bodies of belief, and harvest from fields in which I didn’t sow and in which I have never laboured, I am not a son of any particular religious or scientific body of belief, I am a Son of Man. And I believe in an eternal cyclic three dimensional universal body.

Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Origen, was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. Every universe from the first to the last, from the smallest to the greatest, which have been created throughout the aeons of eternity, still exist in their independent Space-Time positions within the eternal and boundless cosmos.

The New international Version, the Scofield Referrence Bible, and the Companion Bible, all note that the phase in Genesis 1: 2; The earth was formless and void (Having neither shape or mass) should be correctly translated, “The earth became without form and void.” The Hebrew word “Hayah” translated “was,” means “To become, occur, come to pass, Be.” (Vines Complete Expository of Old and New Testament Words, 1985. “To Be.”)

A Black Hole is a massive system so centrally condensed that the force of gravity prevents everything within it, even light from escaping. But how many Black Hole are out there in the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos? How much dark matter is hidden within those Black Holes? Nobody knows, science is still coming to grips with Black Holes, which are believed to be at the centre of all galaxies, and Black Holes devour everything that comes in contact with them.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of over three million suns, and around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were once at the centre of other galactic bodies that have merged with ours. The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy that orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy. The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being, will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes and dying stars and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward one of the many massive gatherers scattered throughout the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos.
For my own benefit, I classify all those galactic clusters as universes’ that are being drawn into one of the many Great Gatherers where they are condensed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small centrally condensed systems, where they remain in a state of rest, gathering to themselves the expended energy of the active universal cells, until the critical mass is gathered and the intellect that had evolved within the previous universal body awakens and cries out “Let there be light” as that particular Son of God witness’ the resurrection of its body that had descended into the seemingly bottomless pit: The Son of Man being the first universal supreme personality of Godhead and the most high in the creation, the firstborn of the creator and Lord of all spirits, as the body of mankind from which he evolves, is Lord of Creatures. .......CONTINUED.
 
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S-word

Well-Known Member
When our sun, which has a diameter of about 1,392,000 KM, comes to the end of its life cycle as a star, it will expand outward as a Red Giant, incinerating the planets in its system before collapsing into a white dwarf, glowing in the cloud, which is a small percentage of mass that is ejected with its collapse. The White Dwarf would be only one hundredth the diameter of the sun as it is today, and one cup of the material of the White Dwarf would outweigh 24 elephants. While a star that is many times bigger than our sun, when it comes to the end of its life cycle, it will expand out as a super nova, blasting off a percentage of its mass, which becomes a giant nebula cloud, in the centre of which, the remaining mass is condensed into a neutron star with a radius of anywhere between 12 and 20 KN and a mass of somewhere between 1.35 and 2.1 solar masses. Whereas, when a first generation Star, which is but a small percentage of the eternal and boundless cosmos implodes upon itself, there remains nothing but a Massive super duper Black hole from which nothing seems to be able to escape.

If the evolution of this three dimensional world that began with an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small primordial atom which was enclosed within the fourth dimension, and our three dimensional world had its beginnings with a Big Bang, then the cause of this three dimensional world would had to have been an entity which operates in a different time dimension than this three dimensional world and would have pre-existed the Big Bang.

In the beginning was the Logos. The divine animating principle that pervades the entire universal body and all therein and the Logos was within the invisible singularity of origin and was the singularity, it was the activating force that created the Big Bang, which spewed out the liquid like electromagnetic energy in the billions of degrees, of which the quantum, that is the wave particles that have zero mass and no electric charge, yet carry angular and linear momentum (The Logos the life force and activating principle in all that exists) are the quantum. By the gathering together of those animated waves, sub-atomic particles were created, which when gathered together those sub-atomic particles created the Atoms, which when gathered together created the molecules from which the galaxies were created, which galaxies, when gathered together are condensed to create the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of origin.

The Logos has become all that was, all that is, and all that ever will be, all things came into existence through the Logos, and all things that exist were made by the Logos and not one thing was made except that it was made by the Logos and all things that exist, exist for the Logos, which is the evolving singularity: evolving in the fact that all within the singularity is in a constant state of change/evolution. All that has ever existed, all that now exists, and all that will ever exist, exist in and as the singularity that is the First and the Last, the Beginning and End, The Alpha and Omega, The Father and Son.

“The Word,” is not a good translation of “The Logos.”All the information and experiences that are gathered through the senses of your body in the creation of “YOU” the mind/spirit that develops within that body, can be expressed as “WORDS,” or as "ART", or your "CREATIONS". So too, all the information and experiences that is taken in through the senses of all the diverse life forms that the Logos becomes, and is gathered to that animating principle, which is the universal soul or life force that pervades the evolving Alpha/singularity, that has become this universal body, in which evolves the Omega, who is the Most High in the singularity and the supreme personality of Godhead, who, when this universe is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small, singularity, express’s itself as a new universal body in the image and likeness of the body in which it had evolved.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
painted wolf said:
I missed the point where you are in any position to judge me.
Sorry. I assumed we were all equal here, and that what's good for the goose . . .
"You are a brilliant example of your signature."

"If you think that is what this is about you are a bit thick."
is good for the gander.

Oh no.. it's your lack of intellectual honesty... and not an attack just a minor annoyance. Like when creo's do the same thing.
"not an attack"??? Hmmm. Seems to me you said "Your insistence on going on the attack when it is unwarranted." (what this forum needs is a good back-peddling icon)

Anyway... I'm sure you will toddle off and enjoy the rest of the forums.
That I will. That I will.

I'll refrain from further antagonizing the boofhead.
Sticks and stones, you . . . you . . . you purple periwinkle, you.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
By the way Darkendless... what is your take on this 'age of the Earth' thing? Have you had a chance to look into the actual paper?

wa:do

I'm not suprised that this paper came out, i'm only suprised it took so long. I think most people in the field would have used an exponential rate to approximate accreation which obviously ignores a tonne of variables namely temperature and pressure variations and interactions.

To me their concerns make sense. I don't know if you've ever seen a sectional view of weathered bassalt? I live near an extinct volcano that blew its top about 400 million years ago depositing bassalt over a region of about 400 square kilometers. However, given the processes of temperature and pressure, the weathering of the bassalt as it forms clays is never the same. As a geotech, all i look out for are colours and i take my samples to the geologist who tells me whats going on. Although volcanic temperature and pressures are a different kettle of fish the concepts are the same.

You would assume for and eruption the deposits would stabalize at a constant rate, much like collisions forming the earth would have a somewhat cohesive rate of formation. Therefore, i'm sure you can understand why they assumed an exponential rate of accreation.

My concerns are whether their data is consistent. Often mineralogy can vary up to about 15% (for younger formations) of its true age meaning isotopic values can be a bit sneaky. Also, what kind of assumptions are they using to make their computers models work? Computer models are always only as reliable as the information that is plugged into them.
 

RedOne77

Active Member
When you say that we should toss out all of this scientific rubbish and put our faith in the creator, do you mean that we should believe the Genesis' account of the creation as interpretated according to the man's accummulated knowlege of the universe and its workings, some two thousand years ago, when it was believed that the cosmos was created in 6 literal 24 hour days, and that the earth was flat and it was the centre around which revolved the entire universe? Or should we believe the Genesis account as interpretated according to the accumulatae knowlge of today, which interpretation will change in the future as more incoming data of the working of the cosmos is accumulated by the mind of man?

I was Poeing when I said that. Should have added in a wink, but so it goes.

I eat from the tables that are prepared by all the different bodies of belief, and harvest from fields in which I didn’t sow and in which I have never laboured, I am not a son of any particular religious or scientific body of belief, I am a Son of Man. And I believe in an eternal cyclic three dimensional universal body.


Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

Are you a Buddhist or a Hindu?

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

Genesis 2:4 is not talking about an endless cycle, just the history of the universe as perceived by the ancient Hebrews. I am aware Buddhism and Hinduism (especially Hinduism) has cyclic periods of universes that will continue until all reach Brahman or Nirvana. I hold a similar view, only except our spirit will have only one physical life in which we will be 'judged' and the unrighteous will be cast down into 'Hell' where God will purify them until they are ready to be in 'Heaven'.

Origen, was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. Every universe from the first to the last, from the smallest to the greatest, which have been created throughout the aeons of eternity, still exist in their independent Space-Time positions within the eternal and boundless cosmos.
The New international Version, the Scofield Referrence Bible, and the Companion Bible, all note that the phase in Genesis 1: 2; The earth was formless and void (Having neither shape or mass) should be correctly translated, “The earth became without form and void.” The Hebrew word “Hayah” translated “was,” means “To become, occur, come to pass, Be.” (Vines Complete Expository of Old and New Testament Words, 1985. “To Be.”)


This is an interesting take on the whole thing, but I fail to see what this has to do with anything mentioned in the thread.


Black Holes devour everything that comes in contact with them.


That's a little pessimistic. Black holes aren't that bad, if a one solar mass black hole was to replace our sun all the planets would still keep their orbit, just no energy would be emitted.


Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of over three million suns, and around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were once at the centre of other galactic bodies that have merged with ours. The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy that orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

Lets not forget Andromeda.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being, will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes and dying stars and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward one of the many massive gatherers scattered throughout the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos.

Sadly though, galaxies that are far away aren't going to come near us, but be taken further and further apart due to dark energy. Your continual gathering of galaxies is a little off.

For my own benefit, I classify all those galactic clusters as universes’ that are being drawn into one of the many Great Gatherers where they are condensed into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small centrally condensed systems, where they remain in a state of rest, gathering to themselves the expended energy of the active universal cells, until the critical mass is gathered and the intellect that had evolved within the previous universal body awakens and cries out “Let there be light” as that particular Son of God witness’ the resurrection of its body that had descended into the seemingly bottomless pit: The Son of Man being the first universal supreme personality of Godhead and the most high in the creation, the firstborn of the creator and Lord of all spirits, as the body of mankind from which he evolves, is Lord of Creatures. .......CONTINUED.

A cluster of galaxies is not a universe in modern astronomy. The best definition (that is also relatively simple) is essentially a single space-time continuum. Last I heard the overall mass of the universe is very close to the critical mass index, but new info suggests that it might be lower, giving the end of the universe a heat death, not a renewal cyclic universe(s).
 

RedOne77

Active Member
If the evolution of this three dimensional world that began with an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small primordial atom which was enclosed within the fourth dimension, and our three dimensional world had its beginnings with a Big Bang, then the cause of this three dimensional world would had to have been an entity which operates in a different time dimension than this three dimensional world and would have pre-existed the Big Bang.

Why must the 'cause' be from an entity?

“The Word,” is not a good translation of “The Logos.”All the information and experiences that are gathered through the senses of your body in the creation of “YOU” the mind/spirit that develops within that body, can be expressed as “WORDS,” or as "ART", or your "CREATIONS". So too, all the information and experiences that is taken in through the senses of all the diverse life forms that the Logos becomes, and is gathered to that animating principle, which is the universal soul or life force that pervades the evolving Alpha/singularity, that has become this universal body, in which evolves the Omega, who is the Most High in the singularity and the supreme personality of Godhead, who, when this universe is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small, singularity, express’s itself as a new universal body in the image and likeness of the body in which it had evolved.

An interesting view point I'll admit. Still not sure how this relates to the topic at hand though.
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I'm not suprised that this paper came out, i'm only suprised it took so long. I think most people in the field would have used an exponential rate to approximate accreation which obviously ignores a tonne of variables namely temperature and pressure variations and interactions.
Interesting... Obviously my intrest in Geology is fairly basic (not to mention focused on my particular interests)... so forgive me if this question is a bit naive. I didn't realize that prior models didn't account for this.

To me their concerns make sense. I don't know if you've ever seen a sectional view of weathered bassalt?
Unfortunately not that I remember... :( Now I'll have to rifle through my Geology books.

I live near an extinct volcano that blew its top about 400 million years ago depositing bassalt over a region of about 400 square kilometers. However, given the processes of temperature and pressure, the weathering of the bassalt as it forms clays is never the same. As a geotech, all i look out for are colours and i take my samples to the geologist who tells me whats going on. Although volcanic temperature and pressures are a different kettle of fish the concepts are the same.

You would assume for and eruption the deposits would stabalize at a constant rate, much like collisions forming the earth would have a somewhat cohesive rate of formation. Therefore, i'm sure you can understand why they assumed an exponential rate of accreation.
Makes sense... increased mass, increased attraction and all that.

My concerns are whether their data is consistent. Often mineralogy can vary up to about 15% (for younger formations) of its true age meaning isotopic values can be a bit sneaky. Also, what kind of assumptions are they using to make their computers models work? Computer models are always only as reliable as the information that is plugged into them.
Indeed, and models are increasingly difficult with increasing complexity of the system. Thanks a lot for the info!

wa:do
 
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