Easter/Lent (Poll for a nagging question)

[metis]

And there is 0 proof in all of creation that Jesus died on a cross--- the greek word stauros--translates--an upright pole or stake--trinity translations translated it as cross.
A cross is a pagan( torture and death) implement--I believe that Gods son would never use the such as the front of his religion. He represents love,peace,unity.

Well:

New Testament Greek uses four verbs, three of them based upon stauros (σταυρός), usually translated "cross". The commonest term is stauroo (σταυρόω), "to crucify", occurring 43 times; sustauroo (συσταυρόω), "to crucify with" or "alongside" occurs five times, while anastauroo (ἀνασταυρόω), "to crucify again" occurs only once at the Epistle to the Hebrews 6:6. prospegnumi (προσπήγνυμι), "to fix or fasten to, impale, crucify" occurs only once at the Acts of the Apostles 2:23...

In some cases, the condemned was forced to carry the crossbeam to the place of execution. A whole cross would weigh well over 135 kilos (300 lb), but the crossbeam would not be quite as burdensome, weighing around 45 kilos (100 lb).[12] The Roman historian Tacitus records that the city of Rome had a specific place for carrying out executions, situated outside the Esquiline Gate,[13] and had a specific area reserved for the execution of slaves by crucifixion.[14] Upright posts would presumably be fixed permanently in that place, and the crossbeam, with the condemned person perhaps already nailed to it, would then be attached to the post. -- Crucifixion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reality is that there simply is no reason whatsoever for one to conclude that Jesus was crucified on a stake.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If they are being used against Gods will, it just makes one a opposer to Gods will.

If they are not used against God's will, how are the practices and items against scripture?

 

[kjw47]

That's the problem and debate right there. That is completely false. Every culture has it's own intensity of venerating Christ--and Christ only. A lot of Americans do not kiss a statue while other people in Latin Countries do. It has nothing to do with the faith itself.

The problem is that outsiders think that by kissing statues and crosses these people are thinking the Jesus statue IS Jesus. That's pomptuous. However you spell it. I don't see the connection whatsoever.

Gods word said do not use statues or icons.

 

[kjw47]

Well:

New Testament Greek uses four verbs, three of them based upon stauros (σταυρός), usually translated "cross". The commonest term is stauroo (σταυρόω), "to crucify", occurring 43 times; sustauroo (συσταυρόω), "to crucify with" or "alongside" occurs five times, while anastauroo (ἀνασταυρόω), "to crucify again" occurs only once at the Epistle to the Hebrews 6:6. prospegnumi (προσπήγνυμι), "to fix or fasten to, impale, crucify" occurs only once at the Acts of the Apostles 2:23...

In some cases, the condemned was forced to carry the crossbeam to the place of execution. A whole cross would weigh well over 135 kilos (300 lb), but the crossbeam would not be quite as burdensome, weighing around 45 kilos (100 lb).[12] The Roman historian Tacitus records that the city of Rome had a specific place for carrying out executions, situated outside the Esquiline Gate,[13] and had a specific area reserved for the execution of slaves by crucifixion.[14] Upright posts would presumably be fixed permanently in that place, and the crossbeam, with the condemned person perhaps already nailed to it, would then be attached to the post. -- Crucifixion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The reality is that there simply is no reason whatsoever for one to conclude that Jesus was crucified on a stake.

In the Hebrew( eye witnesses) Septuagint, did not use the words you said. only in trinity translation. translation done over 1300 years after his death.
Yes some were crucified, some were impaled--There is 0 proof in all creation which one occurred to Jesus.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Gods word said do not use statues or icons.

I understand that. I haven't received an answer in any of these forums, but:

How (not why) does the statue and icons itself make a Christian's worship non genuine to God?

Statues and icons can't do anything on their own. Their inanimate objects. So how does the object itself (taking the person out the picture) make God against it?

Is it because of how it's shaped? What color it is?

 

[metis]

In the Hebrew( eye witnesses) Septuagint, did not use the words you said. only in trinity translation. translation done over 1300 years after his death.
Yes some were crucified, some were impaled--There is 0 proof in all creation which one occurred to Jesus.

When you're dealing with probably 90+% of scripture, none of that is provable. Secondly, we have no version of the "N.T." that's written in Hebrew.

So, even though there's no proof one way of the other, I'll lean in the direction of the crucifix because it simply the most logical, especially when one considers that Jesus supposedly carried his cross (undoubtedly just the cross-member).

But then, it really doesn't mean anything to me one way or another, and you can believe in whatever you want to believe in.

 

[kjw47]

When you're dealing with probably 90+% of scripture, none of that is provable. Secondly, we have no version of the "N.T." that's written in Hebrew.

So, even though there's no proof one way of the other, I'll lean in the direction of the crucifix because it simply the most logical, especially when one considers that Jesus supposedly carried his cross (undoubtedly just the cross-member).

But then, it really doesn't mean anything to me one way or another, and you can believe in whatever you want to believe in.

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew. The Jewish scholars have the nt in Hebrew. The servants of the true God far longer than the supposed Christians.
Trinity transl;ations all rely on Catholicism translation--the originals were gone long before anyone else translated--they only had Catholicism translation to go by or the Hebrew--they would not use because it clearly shows Catholicism errors.

 

[kjw47]

I understand that. I haven't received an answer in any of these forums, but:

How (not why) does the statue and icons itself make a Christian's worship non genuine to God?

Statues and icons can't do anything on their own. Their inanimate objects. So how does the object itself (taking the person out the picture) make God against it?

Is it because of how it's shaped? What color it is?

God called all images-- a laughable production-Jeremiah 10: 14-15) ezekial 7:20) Deuteronmy 4:25-26)Psalm 115:4-8) 1John 5:21) Ezekial 37:23

 

[metis]

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew. The Jewish scholars have the nt in Hebrew. The servants of the true God far longer than the supposed Christians.
Trinity transl;ations all rely on Catholicism translation--the originals were gone long before anyone else translated--they only had Catholicism translation to go by or the Hebrew--they would not use because it clearly shows Catholicism errors.

Sorry, but we do not have the "N.T." in Hebrew except for much later translations, which we don't use anyway.

Secondly, since we have no originals, it is virtually impossible to determine that the Catholic translations are in error.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God called all images-- a laughable production-Jeremiah 10: 14-15) ezekial 7:20) Deuteronmy 4:25-26)Psalm 115:4-8) 1John 5:21) Ezekial 37:23

Like toothpaste and cars?

There's got to be more of a deeper meaning behind God's loathe for objects?

 

[kjw47]

Sorry, but we do not have the "N.T." in Hebrew except for much later translations, which we don't use anyway.

Secondly, since we have no originals, it is virtually impossible to determine that the Catholic translations are in error.

The Septuagint is Hebrew.-There is 0 doubt Catholicism translations added council false teaching ideas. they contradict Jesus and his real teachers in the NT. God preserved the teachings of his son--they are the same in every translation. Few listen to Jesus over mens dogmas.

 

[kjw47]

Like toothpaste and cars?

There's got to be more of a deeper meaning behind God's loathe for objects?

He is a jealous God-- in the ot days--some idiots were sacrificing their babies to carved images, maybe that is a good reason. they held orgies as worship. God wiped those societies off the earth. Even archeologist who dug up those societies stated--we cannot understand why God waited so long to rid the world of them.
Objects are lifeless, cannot do a thing--God is the living God--it is out of his heart good comes.

 

[rusra02]

The real teachers of Jesus warn the flock of the pagan additives the world added( easter bunny--colored eggs)-- the rites of spring celebrated by pagans with those two pagan things gravitated into Easter--the false Gods Astarte and Ishtar were involved in that pagan rites of spring festival. Even the catholic encyclopedia warns of that( 1913,volume V,pg 227)-- and the book--the two babylons by Alexander Hislop--the hot cross buns,dyed eggs--Chaldean rites of spring.
Every pagan practice is straight off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21)

encyclopedias as well teach of the pagan additives--even in Christmas.

I agree. The introduction of pagan practices such as Lent and Easter into supposed "Christian " religions does not sanctify such practices, anymore than mixing rotten fruit with good will somehow make the rotten fruit good. In fact, the opposite occurs and any good fruit is soon ruined by the rotten. I believe that is what has happened to the vast majority of professed "Christian" religions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That makes more sense. Its the people not the objects.

If I sacrificed my loved one for toothepast because i think the toothpaste is God, thats against scripture.

If I use the toothepaste the way it is designed then there is no scripture confliction.

The way i experinced lent and easter, the practices where like the latter using the toothepaste as it is supposed to be used. It would be idol worship if they worshiped the items they used in worship.

The only "items", if you like, worshiped on Easter worship are the hosts of communion. I dont see any other idol worshiping whatsoever

He is a jealous God-- in the ot days--some idiots were sacrificing their babies to carved images, maybe that is a good reason. they held orgies as worship. God wiped those societies off the earth. Even archeologist who dug up those societies stated--we cannot understand why God waited so long to rid the world of them.
Objects are lifeless, cannot do a thing--God is the living God--it is out of his heart good comes.

 

[metis]

The Septuagint is Hebrew.-There is 0 doubt Catholicism translations added council false teaching ideas. they contradict Jesus and his real teachers in the NT. God preserved the teachings of his son--they are the same in every translation. Few listen to Jesus over mens dogmas.

Sorry, but you're fabricating stories. The Septuagint is not the "N.T.", and it is impossible to know there's errors in the Catholic "N.T." unless you have the originals "N.T.", and no one has them.

 

[metis]

I agree. The introduction of pagan practices such as Lent and Easter into supposed "Christian " religions does not sanctify such practices, anymore than mixing rotten fruit with good will somehow make the rotten fruit good. In fact, the opposite occurs and any good fruit is soon ruined by the rotten. I believe that is what has happened to the vast majority of professed "Christian" religions.

So, what you're saying is that if someone doesn't share your politically-correct belief about what is "pagan" and what is not, then they ain't Christian? What makes you "God's counselor", as Paul warned disciples not to try and be?

What utter arrogance.

 

[rusra02]

So, what you're saying is that if someone doesn't share your politically-correct belief about what is "pagan" and what is not, then they ain't Christian? What makes you "God's counselor", as Paul warned disciples not to try and be?

What utter arrogance.

No, not my view, but rather, what the Scriptures say.

 

[metis]

No, not my view, but rather, what the Scriptures say.

False. The scriptures say nothing in regards to "Easter" or "Lent" being "pagan", and that latter term is mostly used to denote a worship of other deities.

 

[kjw47]

Sorry, but you're fabricating stories. The Septuagint is not the "N.T.", and it is impossible to know there's errors in the Catholic "N.T." unless you have the originals "N.T.", and no one has them.

Jesus' truths prove it--they are not taught by churches--very few of them. Their works prove beyond the shadow of a doubt they do not know Jesus. Mark 3:24-26-- a house divided will not stand.

 

[Riverwolf]

The modern holiday of Easter (I don't know about Lent) does derive, in much of its iconography and its name, from a pre-Christian European festival. As someone who's trying to rebuild that festival's traditions from the surviving iconography of the bunny and eggs together with other fertility images, I don't call the traditional festival, or any of its modern renditions, by the name of "Easter". Instead, I call it by two names interchangeably: Ostara and Eostre.

The reason is because the modern holiday of Easter is a Christian and secular holiday. I wish to keep the modern holiday and the traditional festival distinct.

As to whether the Christian God has a problem with that, I find the idea that any sort of Creator would be so uptight and neurotic that any sort of veneration of him that he may have vaguely forbade in an old text to be abominable and to be shunned, absolutely laughable.