Easter versus Passover? Which is of God? Which is of Satan?

[metis]

You say it: 'it is a post resurrection faith.' What Jesus did and said happened for real before anyone wrote a 'record' of anything. No one who wrote a thing that is written in the New or Old Testament for that matter, 'left an oral tradition' of man, but The, God inspired, factual actual historic real truth. Then if it pleased God, men believed -- believed what IS, written. Faith comes by hearing and hearing was of factual truth.

Anytime one reads history, and that includes religious accounts, they should realize that they are reading different authors' concept of what may or may not have happened. And this is even made more complicated by the fact that these accounts tend to be more subjective than objective, especially since the traditional Asian approach is not like modern western scholarship.

 

[2ndpillar]

The actual payment is seven times, not double:

Prophecy Fulfilled: Israel Becomes A Nation In 1948

Sorry, but I took a direct quote from Jeremiah 16:18. You are probably taking a multiple from a maximum sentence on a killer of Cain.(Genesis 4:15) Two different times.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Sorry, but I took a direct quote from Jeremiah 16:18. You are probably taking a multiple from a maximum sentence on a killer of Cain.(Genesis 4:15) Two different times.

Not at all:

LEVITICUS 26:18-28 mentions the seven times, multiple times. Did you read the link on prophecy I sent you?

 

[2ndpillar]

Not at all:

LEVITICUS 26:18-28 mentions the seven times, multiple times. Did you read the link on prophecy I sent you?

You seem to be missing the point. Lev 26:18-28 is about Israel not keeping My statutes and My ordinances, for which the "house of Judah" and "Ephraim"/Israel will be "crushed in judgment" "until they acknowledge their guilt". That time, after two days (Hosea 5:11 & 6:2), is coming to and end, and while Judah was crushed by the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13:1, she now has been "restored" together with "Jerusalem" (Joel 3:1), and will be instrumental (Zech 14:14) in "crushing" all those kingdoms at the same time. Israel/Ephraim, has been "crushed in judgment" (Hosea 5:11) for around 2700 years, and will not be "hunted down" and "restored to their own land", until they are "doubly" repaid for their iniquity (Jeremiah 1:18). The relevant prophecy about "end times" is Jeremiah 16:18, and not Lev 26.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You seem to be missing the point. Lev 26:18-28 is about Israel not keeping My statutes and My ordinances, for which the "house of Judah" and "Ephraim"/Israel will be "crushed in judgment" "until they acknowledge their guilt". That time, after two days (Hosea 5:11 & 6:2), is coming to and end, and while Judah was crushed by the 7 headed beast of Revelation 13:1, she now has been "restored" together with "Jerusalem" (Joel 3:1), and will be instrumental (Zech 14:14) in "crushing" all those kingdoms at the same time. Israel/Ephraim, has been "crushed in judgment" (Hosea 5:11) for around 2700 years, and will not be "hunted down" and "restored to their own land", until they are "doubly" repaid for their iniquity (Jeremiah 1:18). The relevant prophecy about "end times" is Jeremiah 16:18, and not Lev 26.

You are skipping over a lot of prophetical word. Joel 3:1 may be fulfilled but not 3:2 and on...

 

[2ndpillar]

You are skipping over a lot of prophetical word. Joel 3:1 may be fulfilled but not 3:2 and on...

Joel 3:2 is just "behind the door" (Mt 24:33). Now that "Jerusalem" and "Judah" are "restored", the "kings of the whole world" can be "gathered" against Jerusalem (Zech 14:1-3), at "Har-Magedon" (Rev 16:13-16), the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2 & 12). As stated in Psalms 83, they are already conspiring to "wipe out" the "nation" of Israel. All that needs to be done is for "great tribulation" is for the "sons of Israel" (Rev 7:4) to be marked for protection. Apparently "summer is near", and the "fig tree" will soon put forth its "leaves" (Mt 24:31-33).

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Holidays are made for humanity. Neither God nor Satan need them.

 

[2ndpillar]

Holidays are made for humanity. Neither God nor Satan need them.

Apparently not, since Constantine, the 7th head of the beast (Rev 17), who took authority from the "dragon" (Rev 13:4), Sol Invictus, honored old Sol, the pagan sun god, by making his day, the day of the Sun, the 8th day, a day of rest per his decree of 321 A.D. whereas no one could buy or sell on that day, for markets and government offices would be closed. It wound up morphing into keeping many of the Jews from owning property or holding government office, and making many of them merchants. It is the "Sabbath" that is made for man (Mark 2:27). That would be the 7th day of the week, not the eighth day of the week, which is being used in the glorification of Ishtar/Easter, per the holiday called Easter, and the glorification of the sun god, Sol Invictus, Apollo, Bel, etc.

Mark 2:27 “And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:”

 

[BilliardsBall]

Joel 3:2 is just "behind the door" (Mt 24:33). Now that "Jerusalem" and "Judah" are "restored", the "kings of the whole world" can be "gathered" against Jerusalem (Zech 14:1-3), at "Har-Magedon" (Rev 16:13-16), the valley of judgment (Joel 3:2 & 12). As stated in Psalms 83, they are already conspiring to "wipe out" the "nation" of Israel. All that needs to be done is for "great tribulation" is for the "sons of Israel" (Rev 7:4) to be marked for protection. Apparently "summer is near", and the "fig tree" will soon put forth its "leaves" (Mt 24:31-33).

I agree with 100% of what you wrote above. 100%!

Thank you!

 

[metis]

Revelation was far more likely to be written for those in "the Way" living in the mid to late 1st century using symbols that people back then, not hundreds of hundreds of years later, would understand. The basic message seems to be "Don't worry, God's got your back since the Romans can kill your body but not your salvation if you stay steadfast in following Jesus and the apostolic church".

 

[2ndpillar]

Revelation was far more likely to be written for those in "the Way" living in the mid to late 1st century using symbols that people back then, not hundreds of hundreds of years later, would understand. The basic message seems to be "Don't worry, God's got your back since the Romans can kill your body but not your salvation if you stay steadfast in following Jesus and the apostolic church".

The idea of being "saved"/"delivered" comes from Joel 2:31-32 with respect to the "awesome day of the LORD". If you are killed by the "Romans", you have definitely not been "delivered", nor have you "escaped", such as being a "survivor" (Joel 2:32). Those of the "Way" were not followers of Paul, they were fleers from Paul. As Revelation was written around 100 A.D., the only ones figuring out the number, would be the one's with "understanding", which according to Daniel 12:10, would exclude the "wicked"/sinners, which would be Paul's followers. As everything was sealed (Daniel 12:9) until the "end times", I kind of think any "understanding" (Rev 13:18) would be left to the "end times" or "end of the age", the time when Daniel would "rise again". (Daniel 12:13).Your Roman "apostolic church" was instituted by the 7th head of the beast, the Roman emperor Constantine. The day of its "fall" is rapidly approaching. (Isaiah 22:25) & Matthew 7:27.

As for the "great day of the LORD"....."He will make a complete end, indeed a terrifying one, of all the inhabitants of the earth." (Zeph 1:18). "Seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be hidden in the day of the LORD's anger" (Zeph 2:3).

 

[Muffled]

I believe people who think this is an issue are evil.

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe people who think this is an issue are evil.

You think what is an issue? Don't be afraid speak up. Just disregard Proverbs 17:28 for a moment. You have peaked everyone's interest.

New American Standard Bible Proverbs 17:28
Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.