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Easy way to prove the Earth is at least a million years old

McBell

McBell

Unbound
devilchasnme said:
peel away all layers of untruth until you find that which never changes
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How do you distinguish between truth and untruth?
Is this perhaps the reason some Christians claim, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary in the Bible, that god is "unchanging"?
 
devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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Mestemia said:
That's it?
I mean really, that's it?
That is all the better you can come up with?
Nothing more than "how dare you question god?"
I dare.
I dare because with all the misinformation being spread by his 'followers' one has to question god.
To bad he has never answered.
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Yes, you will certainly burn in hell for all eternity but don't worry, I hear it's a dry heat.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
devilchasnme said:
Yes, you will certainly burn in hell for all eternity but don't worry, I hear it's a dry heat.
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Empty threats do not bother me.
I find them rather amusing.
Especially considering the fact that your god is completely helpless without his followers doing everything for him.
To bad they can not come to a consensus as to what it is their god wants them to do.
 
devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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Mestemia said:
How do you distinguish between truth and untruth?
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I peel away the layers, like stripping away the thousands of adjectives we add until all that's left is the noun, then I throw that away.

Mestemia said:
Is this perhaps the reason some Christians claim, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary in the Bible, that god is "unchanging"?
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I don't see truth in christians, the bible, science, or even the sun.
 
devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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Mestemia said:
Empty threats do not bother me.
I find them rather amusing.
Especially considering the fact that your god is completely helpless without his followers doing everything for him.
To bad they can not come to a consensus as to what it is their god wants them to do.
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just kidding, bro.

you assume too much.
 
devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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DarkSun said:
You've just decribed the scientific method brilliantly.
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yeah, could be, but as I see it, the scientific method always waits for the next question or the next hypothesis. the essence of the scientific method is the infinite loop. so how can the scientific method (which results in science) ever find truth?
 
PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
It doesn't. It only ever becomes less wrong. Objective truth is a silly concept, since it would be impossible to verify.
 
DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
devilchasnme said:
yeah, could be, but as I see it, the scientific method always waits for the next question or the next hypothesis. the essence of the scientific method is the infinite loop. so how can the scientific method (which results in science) ever find truth?
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By reaching a point where there are no more questions.

PolyHedral said:
It doesn't. It only ever becomes less wrong. Objective truth is a silly concept, since it would be impossible to verify.
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The aim is to find objective truth. Whether that can ever be found is another question.
 
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devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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DarkSun said:
By reaching a point where there are no more questions.
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but with respect DarkSun, and as I said, the essence of the scientific method is the infinite loop. the scientific method (and science) will sit there for infinity, waiting and expecting the next question or the next hypothesis to arrive at infinity plus 1.

so imo, science will never get to the truth. and I don't know that science claims that anyway. but that's cool too. (it might be a shock to all the disciples of science though.)

and with respect to PolyHedral -

PolyHedral said:
It doesn't. It only ever becomes less wrong.
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this is only an assumption. the scientific method doesn't know what that next question or hypothesis will bring. it doesn't assume "less wrong." it just sits and waits.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
devilchasnme said:
but with respect DarkSun, and as I said, the essence of the scientific method is the infinite loop. the scientific method (and science) will sit there for infinity, waiting and expecting the next question or the next hypothesis to arrive at infinity plus 1.
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The scientific method is a tool, and that's the what all tools do; they sit and wait until used. Or is the spatula in your kitchen doing untoward things with the ladle after you put them away in their drawer?
 
DarkSun

DarkSun

:eltiT
devilchasnme said:
so imo, science will never get to the truth.
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Well, I'm not going to argue a point I've never made...
I agree that you're probably right in that science will never grasp true objectivity.
But I disagree that its method doesn't aim for objective truth.
(IMO, saying that the method relies on questions about reality doesn't change this...)
Whether it will obtain it or not is another matter.
 
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PolyHedral

PolyHedral

Superabacus Mystic
devilchasnme said:
this is only an assumption. the scientific method doesn't know what that next question or hypothesis will bring. it doesn't assume "less wrong." it just sits and waits.
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But a hypothesis that is more wrong than what we know already is rejected. Therefore, it either becomes less wrong or stays the same for any given hypothesis.
 
devilchasnme

devilchasnme

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Skwim said:
The scientific method is a tool, and that's the what all tools do; they sit and wait until used. Or is the spatula in your kitchen doing untoward things with the ladle after you put them away in their drawer?
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the scientific method is a tool. right. so what does science do when it isn't using that tool? go outside and have a smoke?
 
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