Eating ethical meat

[Nous]

Again, I can think of a number of reasons that won't work for much except overpopulated deer, since most zoos need specifically macrofauna that are vegetarian or rodents to meet the nutritional needs of the animals on whole prey diets. And even then, they wouldn't for the same reason I would never go out and hunt mice for my rescued corn snake. A closed and contained environment makes captive animals more vulnerable to communicable illness. A mite infestation a mouse has is not a huge deal (usually) for the mouse as its usually temporary. In captivity it's more likely to be chronic and systemic.

I can think of some other cost (after all, this is a call for individuals to take up hunting and fishing licensing for this purpose, zoos can't and won't do that, and there's no infrastructure for fish and game to do it on the scale needed) and processing (most zoos don't do their own butchering, its already done for then for marketed food) reasons too but that was the first thing that came to mind.

That's still goofy. There are all manner of captive carnivores that can thrive on the invasive species you mentioned.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

That's still goofy. There are all manner of captive carnivores that can thrive on the invasive species you mentioned.

Yes, you're still only replying to part of my post. But whatever.

 

[Aštra’el]

The lion does not pity the gazelle. Nor should I pity my sources of nourishment. Were it I out in the wilderness as some other creatures' soon-to-be prey, they would not hesitate to consume me, or experience any guilt or shame in the act.

In death, my body will in one way or another be absorbed by nature, and will provide for nature as nature provided for me.

 

[Nous]

Yes, you're still only replying to part of my post.

No, I've responded to the whole gist of what you've posted. You haven't stated, much less substantiated, any fact whatsoever by which to conclude that it wouldn't be more environmentally responsible, and therefore more moral, for humans to feed any of the invasive species you named to the carnivores held in captivity.

 

[columbus]

Oh, I suppose I should note that study of invasive species was one of the things of particular interest to me in graduate school when studying conservation and ecology and such. There are a few programs here and there trying to encourage humans to use non-native invasive species that are particularly problematic as food sources.

I wouldn't be surprised if you knew my baby sister.
She works on that at the state level in Illinois. She gets awards for it, especially zebra mussels and asiatic carp.
Tom

 

[Nous]

The lion does not pity the gazelle.

Humans are not lions; far from it. The fact that a lion does something does not make it moral or environmentally responsible for a human to do it.

 

[McBell]

Had a mouse problem.
So they brought in cats to deal with it.
No more mouse problem.
However, the cat problem got out of control.
So they brought in alligators to deal with the cat problem because bringing in cats for the mouse problem worked for eliminating the mouse problem.
sadly, they did not take into consideration the reason they have a cat problem....

 

[ShivaFan]

Really, we should really be eating nuts, fruits, roots including taro, veggies. Our intestine is too long to be healthy and also eating this meat thing as it slowly works it's way through - a dog's intestine is short so meat can go through fast, but ours much longer.

Look, I am not saying to throw people in prison for vices such as eating the cow, and everyone's health can be impacted not only by what one eats but also genes and some can live a long healthy life eating only pork, and another dies young who was a veggie-nut-fruitarian because of exposure to things in the environment such as chemicals, metals, insecticide or just plain bad genes... but...

Overall, you are killing yourself on average and vomiting if you will on your own brain neural oscillations eating meat.

As far as pork, personally my observation is even a light smoker (tobacco) fairs better than a heavy consumption of pork. And baby pigs are very cute. So don't.

But I am not a nut who wants to throw others in prison carte blanche.

Some of my best friends are meat eaters.

Would I personally shoot a wild bull trying to attack my daughter with my Winchester 30-30 lever action?

Of course. But I wouldn't eat it.

But if you are going to eat meat, I think you should hunt the meat yourself with your own guns, bow and arrow, fishing rod, yadda yadda. I would respect a hunter who hunts to eat their own meat to eat. But I have less respect for a fat slob who eats four burgers at McDonalds.

I see a lot of very fat Hispanics, and they go to McDonalds. Fat blacks I see going to Burger King, and hippo size white trash going to Carls Junior. You people are killing yourself, and this meat eating junk food and sodas are killing you. High fructose corn syrup is death.

BUT if you think about it - isn't high fructose corn syrup vegetarian? What about palm oil on popcorn? Liquid death sentence... but vegetarian, right?

There is probably a link between drinking from aluminum cans and alzheimer's and autism... is that a "meat eating" problem?

Not really a meat eating problem drinking Orange Fanta. So just being a vegetarian isn't enough. And stress will also kill you, so learn meditation.

Now I live a horrible unhealthy lifestyle but I undedstand the consequences of eating samosas and too much salt, salty soup, too much bhatura chole. I know it is going to kill me with a heart attack. But ...

So all I am saying is, yes, be vegetarian. But vegetarians need to also understand, you all have your own health problems, too.

Just love your animal friends. That will make you happy in the end. Don't pretend this is all about health. No. It's about love. Don't eat your dog - look into the beautiful eyes of our mother cow before you eat her - then YOU kill her and eat mother who can give us more cute baby cows! Sure - mister big shot so brave you go to the grocery store and get your iced dead. But try to hold a club and beat a baby seal for dinner? Bet you can't. I can't. I can shoot some human coming into my house to cause harm - no problem. Lot's of bad humans.

But I ain't going to shoot a deer. Or run my car over a duck family crossing the street. No way. I brake for squirrels. I kiss a cute baby pig. Nothing to do with "health". If my friend is going to smoke cigs, well, whatever. Just as long as no kids around. It's not about health - love. Love our friends in the animal world even when you are having a heart attack after years of scoffing down fried samosas - just don't fall on that salamander on the way to the dirt below.

 

[suncowiam]

As a vegetarian or vegan on that path for ethical concerns, would you be more willing to partake of meat if it's an invasive species which is taken to prevent damage to other animals (like the incredibly destructive Asian carp, or invasive pythons and turtles)? Does it make a difference to you if the utter necessity for culling is there, and using the meat would cut down on waste and build a market for helping fish and game remove destructive species?

As a non-vegetarian would you be willing to add in these sources of fresh meats, preventing waste and helping lower ecological threats, in place of a burger or steak? Have you already tried any of these? (Turtle, snake, carp, overpopulated culled animals besides deer)

You mean like eating ourselves?

No, I don't think I can eat another human being.

 

[Parchment]

You mean like eating ourselves?
No, I don't think I can eat another human being.

I could if it were properly prepared, reportedly we taste like pork so I'd say some garlic and ginger