eating Meat? good or bad

[Madhuri]

yes and obese people on the one side of the planet and skinnies on the other side. that's probably why our planet is shifting polars, to balance situation

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I tried to frubal you but it didn't let me. I just have to say: lol!

 

[dawny0826]

I have no moral qualms over eating meat.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

It is not the lack of food that keeps people starving, it's the distribution of food.

We could feed the world with how much the human race spends on make up in one year.

It not only the distribution of were the food grows but also the system of distribution imposed on the poor counties buy the rich multi nationals. A poor country must sell it's food to a major corporations so it counts in it's GGP. Then they must buy it back at a higher cost. This is one of the reasons why the poor can't afford food.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

But they do drink cow urine right?

Love

Dallas

Not only do some people drink it...They make soda out of it.

Mooove over, Coke and Pepsi: India develops cow urine soft drink

Do you want me to send you a bottle?:drool:

 

[dust1n]

True, but there is a lack of food in those areas. In an ideal world we wouldn't need to distribute food to keep people from starving though.

Agreed. But there is plenty enough food [from vegetarianism, let alone meat as well] to feed the entire world, and since we do not live in a ideal world where the physical manifestations of the earth can handle endless farming in all environments, the solution to the problem could only work if it handled the distribution of food.

Granted.. a lot of farm land in many countries gets centralized by business interests, which has inevitably put farmers out of work and into poverty continuously for the last 2 century and a half.

I'll do my part by not wearing make up. :flirt:

And give a little bit to your look manna bank or community a garden.

 

[dust1n]

It not only the distribution of were the food grows but also the system of distribution imposed on the poor counties buy the rich multi nationals. A poor country must sell it's food to a major corporations so it counts in it's GGP. Then they must buy it back at a higher cost. This is one of the reasons why the poor can't afford food.

Indeed. Historically, private property has been the leading contributor to poverty in third world countries. Near every part of Africa is so abundant in valuable resources, as well as some of the most fertile farmlands, but of course, this is not available for inhabitants to work for and make a living. At best, they can be exploited by foreign countries whom buy large tracks of fertile land.. pushing it's original workers off.. who then end up working for these companies for a dime a day.

 

[TheBotanicalDolly]

Meat can be good for you, but it can also be good to go vegetarian. I am personally a vegetarian and have found a lot of benefits from it. One thing about meat that I don't agree with how a lot of animals are treated in slaughter houses and such.

 

[Valjean]

The cruelty issue is a hot button emotional motivator, and human morality is largely, if not entirely, driven by emotions.
That said, even if an animal is treated kindly and slaughtered humanely I would still consider this an immoral act even by conventional moral standards.

 

[Orias]

The cruelty issue is a hot button emotional motivator, and human morality is largely, if not entirely, driven by emotions.
That said, even if an animal is treated kindly and slaughtered humanely I would still consider this an immoral act even by conventional moral standards.

In a world of predators and prey, you kill or be killed.

A lion does not feel guility for killing for food, nor does a crocidile. We are animals as well.

 

[JustWondering2]

Yeah..I had two Roweillers at a time taking dumps in our little back yard..(can you say maggotts? :sad4

And I have frequented horse barns..I like the smell of the horses themselves..But you get next to a stall that is overdue for cleaning....YUK (vomit bag)..

And I have been to barns where there were just in genernal livestock..cows and goats and stuff...YUK!!

Its funny though..(not ha ha) ..you become desensitised to it..and its not such a shock factor after a while..

I mean even just after you get there ..after about 30 or so minutes..you survive.. and you don't notice it so much anymore..

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Dallas

Yeah, what she said! If you ask someone that works around animals all the time about how they stand the smell they'd say "what smell" LOL

I was raised on a farm NW of Fort Worth. Cows, Hogs, Chickens (nasty SOB's), turkeys, goats etc. Believe it or not you do get to a point where you don't really smell it anymore or maybe your senses just get saturated, who knows.

Unfortunately I don't think there is enough grass lands in Texas to feed all of the cows in Texas if they had to just live off the land. IMHO

 

[Valjean]

In a world of predators and prey, you kill or be killed.

A lion does not feel guility for killing for food, nor does a crocidile. We are animals as well.

Animals, however, are not moral agents. The analogy doesn't apply.
Moral agency implies the ability to appreciate the consequences of ones actions, as well as the ability to choose alternative actions. this it the exclusive domain of humans.

 

[JustWondering2]

In a world of predators and prey, you kill or be killed.

A lion does not feel guility for killing for food, nor does a crocidile. We are animals as well.

Yes this is very true! Some people don't agree and would rather think of themselves as being better than animals and in some cases I agree. If it weren't for our modern society and it was every man and woman for themselves I'm sure humans would revert back to this kind of belief. That is if they wanted to survive they would. An empty stomach and desperation changes the rules very quickly!

 

[Orias]

Animals, however, are not moral agents. The analogy doesn't apply.
Moral agency implies the ability to appreciate the consequences of ones actions, as well as the ability to choose alternative actions. this it the exclusive domain of humans.

I see...

But then yet again moral agency is only implied if one chooses to believe in morality.

An abandon dog can appreciate you if you take him in and give him shelter and food.

Then again the release of a domestic lion could turn around and maul your face off.

But then yet again a mother cat will acknowledge your help when she has mastitis, and you save her life and her kittens.

All animals know eyes. I would say it is 'immoral' to say that animals have no feelings. The definition of carnal beings.

As different breeds of animals are capable of appreciating and forming a pack to survive together. It is proven among humans and other animals.

 

[Orias]

Yes this is very true! Some people don't agree and would rather think of themselves as being better than animals and in some cases I agree. If it weren't for our modern society and it was every man and woman for themselves I'm sure humans would revert back to this kind of belief. That is if they wanted to survive they would. An empty stomach and desperation changes the rules very quickly!

Yes yes, it is all because we have frontal lobes

 

[Eliot Wild]

Maybe I am lamely justifying my carnivorism, but I don't think acquiring the means to stop eating meat forces a moral requirement on me to do so.

If one is asking whether human carnivorism is good or bad in some practical sense, then it might be that all the answers catagorically to this question are that eating meat is "bad". For all know, eating meat might be less healthy than a vegetarian diet. For all I know, killing animals for consumption might hold dire consequences for the environment and might result in unwanted side effects for man. For all I know, there might be plenty of practical reasons for not hunting and eating meat.

But to claim man has achieved some lofty status of evolution and/or attained an exalted precipice in the pantheon of animals that morally precludes us from being carnivores, that I don't see.

Again, I don't mean to be insulting or condescending, but I simply believe anyone who makes moral pronouncements against carnivorism has probably never been dirt poor and truly hungry. Some people simply don't have the resources to forego the consumption of meat.

 

[Orias]

Maybe I am lamely justifying my carnivorism, but I don't think acquiring the means to stop eating meat forces a moral requirement on me to do so.

If one is asking whether human carnivorism is good or bad in some practical sense, then it might be that all the answers catagorically to this question are that eating meat is "bad". For all know, eating meat might be less healthy than a vegetarian diet. For all I know, killing animals for consumption might hold dire consequences for the environment and might result in unwanted side effects for man. For all I know, there might be plenty of practical reasons for not hunting and eating meat.

But to claim man has achieved some lofty status of evolution and/or attained an exalted precipice in the pantheon of animals that morally precludes us from being carnivores, that I don't see.

Again, I don't mean to be insulting or condescending, but I simply believe anyone who makes moral pronouncements against carnivorism has probably never been dirt poor and truly hungry. Some people simply don't have the resources to forego the consumption of meat.

I agree, morals are subjectively different to those that differ among ideas.

Eating meat is natural, a lion doesn't feel bad for killing and eating an antilope, it is food!

 

[MSizer]

...t I simply believe anyone who makes moral pronouncements against carnivorism has probably never been dirt poor and truly hungry. Some people simply don't have the resources to forego the consumption of meat.

Meat is far more expensive than vegetable based protein. Approximately 23 lbs of soy protein is used through animal feed on average to yield 1 lb of beef protein. The statement above is simply false.

 

[Valjean]

I agree, morals are subjectively different to those that differ among ideas.

Eating meat is natural, a lion doesn't feel bad for killing and eating an antilope, it is food!

A lion has no choice, plus, it's unable to appreciate the consequences of its carnivory. That puts it in a completely different moral category than ourselves.

 

[Orias]

Meat is far more expensive than vegetable based protein. Approximately 23 lbs of soy protein is used through animal feed on average to yield 1 lb of beef protein. The statement above is simply false.

It is false in the sense when you have the money to buy it.

But it is true when you go out and get it yourself.

 

[Orias]

A lion has no choice, plus, it's unable to appreciate the consequences of its carnivory. That puts it in a completely different moral category than ourselves.

Sure, but what about bears? Animals are not moral, except us, which is objective since it is a concept and not law.

A bear does have a choice between meat and berries, but it won't survive strictly off berries.

Humans are capable of such a thing though because we don't have to hunt for food, we go to the store and buy it.