Economical refugees dilemma

[Shushersbedamned]

When the refugee crisis was at its top in the political matters there was a lot of mumbling over so called economical refugees - refugees who are not in danger or escaping from war but from poor economical possibilities.

What is the stance the world as a whole and/or its different parts should take in this dilemma?

This should probably.be considered from all points of view; Economical, political, cultural, philosophical....what not.

 

[sayak83]

There's not much to say...in the future Europe will be inhabited, almost entirely, by non-Europeans.
It's simple maths....you need to compare their birth rates with ours

All who live in Europe are Europeans...by definition.

 

[sayak83]

When the refugee crisis was at its top in the political matters there was a lot of mumbling over so called economical refugees - refugees who are not in danger or escaping from war but from poor economical possibilities.

What is the stance the world as a whole and/or its different parts should take in this dilemma?

This should probably.be considered from all points of view; Economical, political, cultural, philosophical....what not.

Free movement of goods and capital, if unbalanced by equivalent free movement of labor, creates economic imbalance leading to instability, volatility, stagnation or collapse. So either we have to put partial constraints on all three, or allow free movement of all three.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All who live in Europe are Europeans...by definition.

Or at the least born there. Though from the "s" in maths I assume that he may be British and does not have the almost instinctive understanding of immigrants that most Americans seem to have.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Free movement of goods and capital, if unbalanced by equivalent free movement of labor, creates economic imbalance leading to instability, volatility, stagnation or collapse. So either we have to put partial constraints on all three, or allow free movement of all three.

Hey! Maybe we could export Trump to build a wall.

Anyone interested in a slightly used President?

 

[sayak83]

Hey! Maybe we could export Trump to build a wall.

Anyone interested in a slightly used President?

I want to import Obama. Whatchyo' want. Tragedy to waste such a talented leader. Inefficient.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

There's not much to say...in the future Europe will be inhabited, almost entirely, by non-Europeans.
It's simple maths....you need to compare their birth rates with ours

Wtf

 

[Shushersbedamned]

All who live in Europe are Europeans...by definition.

Not true

 

[Subduction Zone]

I want to import Obama. Whatchyo' want. Tragedy to waste such a talented leader. Inefficient.

Sorry, too valuable. Though you can get Trump at firesale prices.

 

[Kirran]

I always felt that if you were desperate enough to put yourself and your children at risk of human trafficking, drowning, starvation and/or dehydration to get to Europe, then you were someone in need, whether that's because your hometown has been destroyed by war or because you've lost your jobs or your farm has been hit by drought and your family's starving and you gotta make money for food and a home.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

I always felt that if you were desperate enough to put yourself and your children at risk of human trafficking, drowning, starvation and/or dehydration to get to Europe, then you were someone in need, whether that's because your hometown has been destroyed by war or because you've lost your jobs or your farm has been hit by drought and your family's starving and you gotta make money for food and a home.

Well, it's not like that.

 

[Kirran]

Well, it's not like that.

Well, it is! Evidently, many people labelled as economic refugees are desperate enough to risk their own lives and the lives of their children to get to Europe. As well as spending all their savings on it. Desperation is clear and obvious.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Well, it is! Evidently, many people labelled as economic refugees are desperate enough to risk their own lives and the lives of their children to get to Europe. As well as spending all their savings on it. Desperation is clear and obvious.

You said that they are then automatically in need.

 

[Kirran]

You said that they are then automatically in need.

Yeah - someone who has a safe living situation wouldn't do something like that.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Yeah - someone who has a safe living situation wouldn't do something like that.

There are certain qualification and categorization that have been decided upon regarding immigration. You're trying to streth them farther than the sivilization is willing to.

 

[Estro Felino]

And I wonder: what does the UN or Europe do to help those countries?

I mean...it's pure hypocrisy to take some immigrants in and neglect all those who remain in those countries.

 

[Shushersbedamned]

And I wonder: what does the UN or Europe do to help those countries?

A bit more specific than just a general provocation?

 

[Kirran]

There are certain qualification and categorization that have been decided upon regarding immigration. You're trying to streth them farther than the sivilization is willing to.

Sure, there are various different policies regarding immigration in various countries. So what?

Where are you from, may I ask?

 

[Shushersbedamned]

Sure, there are various different policies regarding immigration in various countries. So what?

Where are you from, may I ask?

No, terms. A refugee escaping poor economical situation is a differently categorized refugee than one that escapes war.

 

[Kirran]

No, terms. A refugee escaping poor economical situation is a differently categorized refugee than one that escapes war.

Sure, OK, there's some kind of somewhat semantic distinction made there. But functionally, I don't see why there ought to be any different in treatment.