• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Economical refugees dilemma

Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Nakosis said:
You would have to make it enticing to want to stay. Unfortunately some governments make it enticing to want to leave.

Unfortunately for Syria it seems a number of governments are making it enticing to want to leave.

Why is everyone in Syria? It seems it has to do with the Iran-Iraq-Syria gas pipeline.

The REAL Reason Nearly EVERYONE Is In Syria

QatarTurkeyGasLine_01.png
Click to expand...
Oh god. I wasn't sure yet you were one of those spread Russian propaganda at all costs.

That source thou Lol
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Kirran said:
But I mean, how is it useful to determine whether someone is a European when thinking about how to accommodate them and engage with them when they arrive as refugees? Whether you start calling someone a European as soon as they arrive, or as soon as they get residency, or when they get citizenship, or never, doesn't this only impede dealing with realities of human individuals on the ground?
Click to expand...

I guess you mean "please let's stop semantics". Those are victims of war, and need love, not semantics.
My guess is they use the word "europeans", to have a legal right to send non-europeans back when war is over. As always on earth $$$ rules.
 
Last edited:
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Nakosis said:
So?

Why should the US and Russia get involved in that?

I'm happy to entertain other ideas but most point to the pipeline.
Click to expand...
It's a complicated story but here are the main reasons,
1)Russia wants to create distraction and to use a place to wage war in where the losses are not Russia's.
2)Assad is a war criminal and not a president. For the sake of justice and good sense he must be taken off his pedestal.
3)Russia wants to create a refugee flow to Europe in order to throw it off balance as Russia tries to destroy its corner stones.
4)ISIS
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
stvdv said:
I guess you mean "please let's stop semantics". Those are victims of war, and need love, not semantics.
My guess is they use the word "europeans", to have a legal right to send non-europeans back when war is over. As always on earth $$$ rules.
Click to expand...
You think they have the responsibility to take just anyone in for ever?
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Shushersbedamned said:
It's a complicated story but here are the main reasons,
1)Russia wants to create distraction and to use a place to wage war in where the losses are not Russia's.
2)Assad is a war criminal and not a president. For the sake of justice and good sense he must be taken off his pedestal.
3)Russia wants to create a refugee flow to Europe in order to throw it off balance as Russia tries to destroy its corner stones.
4)ISIS
Click to expand...

US Propaganda? :D

What do I really know. I tend not to trust the real motivations of any government are known.

Trump was all against getting involved in Syria, now he is for it?

Syria was at one point fairly stable. That all change and now we have a refugee crisis the rest of the world has to deal with.
 
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
Nakosis said:
US Propaganda? :D

What do I really know. I tend not to trust the real motivations of any government are known.

Trump was all against getting involved in Syria, now he is for it?

Syria was at one point fairly stable. That all change and now we have a refugee crisis the rest of the world has to deal with.
Click to expand...
Trump is manipulated by Putin. He doesn't have his own self anymore.

I don't know about stability but as said Assad is nothing but a criminal. Stability or not his governent is tyranny.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Shushersbedamned said:
You think they have the responsibility to take just anyone in for ever?
Click to expand...

No. I believe it would be very kind if Europe takes them in. And I believe they should be very grateful for getting that chance. I also believe they should obey the laws of the country, and not trying to impose their religion on Europe [They try to have Sharia Law; I am totally against that; we have our culture and that is a good culture; there is one flaw "dutch people are too good". I met a Muslim woman 25y ago who said "Dutch are weakling, in 20 year Holland is ours". So this idea seems to have been already a long time in their head it; to conquer Holland at least]

Even the Koran verse 5:51 says so. Holland has to learn the lesson to not let itself be trampled by disrespectful refugees. So Europe also has the right to say No. IMHO. It all has to do with respect and of course capacity [Holland is quite populated already; there are limits]
 
Last edited:
Shushersbedamned

Shushersbedamned

Well-Known Member
stvdv said:
No. I believe it would be very kind if Europe takes them in. And I believe they should be very grateful for getting that chance. I also believe they should obey the laws of the country, and not trying to impose their religion on Europe.

Even the Koran verse 5:51 says so. Holland has to learn the lesson to not let itself be trampled by disrespectful refugees. So Europe also has the right to say No. IMHO. It all has to do with respect and of course capacity [Holland is quite populated already; there are limits]
Click to expand...
It has nothing to do with religion. Now THAT is Us propaganda.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Shushersbedamned said:
It has nothing to do with religion. Now THAT is Us propaganda.
Click to expand...

Yes, I read your previous reply: Russia tries to destabalize Europa. I won't be surprised, Putin is a smart cookie. Trump is zero compared to Putin. And I think you might be right that Putin has Trump in his pocket. Putin made sure N.Korea was off limits [too close to Russia]
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Shushersbedamned said:
1)Russia wants to create distraction and to use a place to wage war in where the losses are not Russia's.
Click to expand...

Wage war? You think so? And why? I do understand he is smart enough not to hold it in Russia. But he is also smart enough to know that bombs easily reach Russia in case it's full on war. Although they can intercept some, I doubt if it rains bombs they won't stand a chance. War only cost money I think. Unless you have a fantasy like I recently read from Trump "I want the Middle East to give me all their oil; they owe it to us"
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member
Shushersbedamned said:
Better confront a manipulator than be manipulated
Click to expand...

The biggest manipulator is Trump in the moment. That americans let him get away with it, I don't understand. He destroys so much. He does have a famous handshake. But even his wife doesn't want his "handshake" anymore
 
Last edited:
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
stvdv said:
The biggest manipulator is Trump in the moment. That americans let him get away with it, I don't understand. He destroys so much. Even his wife doesn't want his "handshake" anymore
Click to expand...
Can't exactly blame her. If she stays with him, she will have to be automatically considered for sainthood.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top