Egypt Threatens to Suspend Key Peace Treaty if Israel Pushes into Rafah on Its Border, Officials Say

[Debater Slayer]

Two Egyptian officials and a Western diplomat have said that Egypt is threatening to suspend its peace treaty with Israel if Israel invades Rafah, the densely populated town at the Egyptian-Israeli border to which over a million Gazans have fled:

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Egypt is threatening to suspend its peace treaty with Israel if Israeli troops are sent into the densely populated Gaza border town of Rafah, where it says fighting could force the closure of the besieged territory’s main aid supply route, two Egyptian officials and a Western diplomat said Sunday.

The threat to suspend the Camp David Accords, a cornerstone of regional stability for nearly a half-century, came after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said sending troops into Rafah was necessary to win the four-month war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas.

Over half of Gaza’s population of 2.3 million have fled to Rafah to escape fighting in other areas, and they are packed into sprawling tent camps and U.N.-run shelters near the border. Egypt fears a mass influx of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees who may never be allowed to return.

Israeli strikes hit Rafah after Biden warns Netanyahu to have 'credible' plan to protect civilians

President Joe Biden, on Sunday had warned Netanyahu that Israel should not conduct a military operation in Rafah without a “credible and executable” plan to protect civilians.

apnews.com

The murderous recklessness of Netanyahu and his government is threatening to end over half a century of peace between Egypt and Israel. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and prevent the invasion of Rafah, with the help of international pressure.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was wondering if/when Israel's genocide would inspire
other countries to suspend cooperation, or even to
intervene on behalf of the millions of Palestinians.
There could very well be war against Israel to end
its violent conquest. USA will see that this becomes
far far deadlier, as it attacks Arab countries.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The murderous recklessness of Netanyahu and his government is threatening to end over half a century of peace between Egypt and Israel. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and prevent the invasion of Rafah, with the help of international pressure.

As for international pressure, The Times of Israel reports:

The Netherlands must stop delivering parts for F-35 fighter jets used by Israel in the Gaza Strip after a Dutch court on Monday upheld an appeal by human rights organizations.

The groups had argued that supplying the parts contributed to alleged violations of international law by Israel in its war with the Palestinian terror group Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

“The court orders the State to cease all actual export and transit of F-35 parts with final destination Israel within seven days after service of this judgment,” said the ruling.


“It is undeniable that there is a clear risk that the exported F-35 parts are used in serious violations of international humanitarian law,” Judge Bas Boele said in reading the ruling, eliciting cheers from several people in the courtroom.

The decision can be appealed. [source]

Tragically, the Netanyahu coalition is not known for it's cooler heads. So, for example,

US wary Ben Gvir could inflame tensions at Temple Mount over Ramadan -- officials​

As I'm sure you know, Ramadan is only about a month away.

 

[Bthoth]

As for international pressure, The Times of Israel reports:



Tragically, the Netanyahu coalition is not known for it's cooler heads. So, for example,

US wary Ben Gvir could inflame tensions at Temple Mount over Ramadan -- officials​

As I'm sure you know, Ramadan is only about a month away.

That stupid hill is the very reason israel exists in palestine. The Jews of the world are aware of the pursuit and why so many are against israel.

What is weird is the fringe still attack anyone that does not support the pursuit. What is sick, is the israeli apologist are too biased to even identify the root problem of the whole divide.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Also:
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/10/1230644042/israel-gaza-rafah-linda-thomas-greenfield-unrwa

They've already massacred at least 100 people

Rafah: Israeli airstrikes kill more than 100 as international alarm mounts over anticipated ground offensive | CNN

Dozens of people, including children, have been killed as “extremely intense” Israeli airstrikes and shelling pounded multiple locations in Rafah overnight Monday, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society, as international alarm mounts over Israel’s planned ground offensive in the...

amp.cnn.com

 

[Debater Slayer]

Also:
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/10/1230644042/israel-gaza-rafah-linda-thomas-greenfield-unrwa

They've already massacred at least 100 people

Rafah: Israeli airstrikes kill more than 100 as international alarm mounts over anticipated ground offensive | CNN

Dozens of people, including children, have been killed as “extremely intense” Israeli airstrikes and shelling pounded multiple locations in Rafah overnight Monday, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society, as international alarm mounts over Israel’s planned ground offensive in the...

amp.cnn.com

The IDF has ensured that the widespread sympathy for Israel after the October 7 massacre has turned into even more widespread disgust at the utter disregard for human life and a contemptible image of the IDF that may well last for generations to come.

Large portions of the younger generation are already critical of Israel in much of the Western world, according to multiple polls. I hope this increasingly critical eye toward the decades-long abuses results in real, significant change toward peace in the coming years.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That stupid hill is the very reason israel exists in palestine

<yawn>

Your vitriol is tiresome.​

</yawn>

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The IDF has ensured that the widespread sympathy for Israel after the October 7 massacre has turned into even more widespread disgust at the utter disregard for human life and a contemptible image of the IDF that may well last for generations to come.

Large portions of the younger generation are already critical of Israel in much of the Western world, according to multiple polls. I hope this increasingly critical eye toward the decades-long abuses results in real, significant change toward peace in the coming years.

I have no sympathy for them anymore. Israel is a sick Nazi-like hellhole and their fascist government needs ousted, at the very least. Nuttyyahoo and most of his cabinet should be executed for war crimes. Time to dismantle the racist Zionist entity.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I was wondering if/when Israel's genocide would inspire
other countries to suspend cooperation, or even to
intervene on behalf of the millions of Palestinians.
There could very well be war against Israel to end
its violent conquest. USA will see that this becomes
far far deadlier, as it attacks Arab countries.

Most Arab countries are ruled by dictators who don't care to help Palestinians and don't represent the majority of the populations in their respective countries. A case in point is that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and other oil-rich Gulf countries haven't used their natural resources and economic ties with Israel as a pressuring card.

Also, most Arab countries probably realize that a war with Israel would also be a war with the US. Egypt and Israel signed the peace treaty following four wars, after realizing that further war would benefit neither country. The treaty ensured that two generations of Egyptians and Israelis grew up without any war between the two countries. The significance of the peace treaty can hardly be overstated; it was paid for in blood and has spared both countries further bloodshed for decades.

All of this is now at risk because of Netanyahu's rabidly mindless pursuit of the unobtainable goal of "eliminating Hamas." All he's doing is ensuring that more people will be radicalized by a desire for vengeance against the IDF for killing their family and friends and destroying their homes, not to mention that Hamas is present well beyond Gaza and can reorganize its ranks after the war. Netanyahu's attempt to get rid of a problem with deep geopolitical and socioeconomic dimensions exclusively through blunt military force is as irresponsible as it is murderous.

 

[exchemist]

The IDF has ensured that the widespread sympathy for Israel after the October 7 massacre has turned into even more widespread disgust at the utter disregard for human life and a contemptible image of the IDF that may well last for generations to come.

Large portions of the younger generation are already critical of Israel in much of the Western world, according to multiple polls. I hope this increasingly critical eye toward the decades-long abuses results in real, significant change toward peace in the coming years.

Well it does look increasingly like an ethnic cleansing strategy. Reduce Gaza to rubble, herd the population up against the border with Egypt, then attack the very place they have been herded into, in the hope that Egypt will be forced to open its border on humanitarian grounds so that the whole population can be expelled.

I wish I could point to something from the Israeli government to show this is untrue and that they actually have a plan for preserving the population from slaughter, famine and disease and to house them again when the campaign is over. But I have not seen anything.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I have no sympathy for them anymore. Israel is a sick Nazi-like hellhole and their fascist government needs ousted, at the very least. Nuttyyahoo and most of his cabinet should be executed for war crimes. Time to dismantle the racist Zionist entity.

I have sympathy for the civilians who were massacred by Hamas on October 7 and for their families, and I have sympathy for the tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians who have been massacred and maimed by the IDF since then and for their families.

I have zero sympathy for extremism that entails opposing peace, wanting to conduct ethnic cleansing against Palestinians, supporting illegal settlements, and supporting the IDF's current heinous military campaign. It is a core part of the problem and the status quo that enabled Hamas' radicalism to gain foothold in the first place.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Well it does look increasingly like an ethnic cleansing strategy. Reduce Gaza to rubble, herd the population up against the border with Egypt, then attack the very place they have been herded into, in the hope that Egypt will be forced to open its border on humanitarian grounds so that the whole population can be expelled.

I wish I could point to something from the Israeli government to show this is untrue and that they actually have a plan for preserving the population from slaughter, famine and disease and to house them again when the campaign is over. But I have not seen anything.

This is my take too. It was never exactly easy to believe Israel was using measured, defensive responses. But it gets more obvious by the day that the only intention is to get that land by any means that won't upset allies. Which unfortunately seems to be 'by any means' period.

 

[Revoltingest]

Most Arab countries are ruled by dictators who don't care to help Palestinians and don't represent the majority of the populations in their respective countries. A case in point is that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and other oil-rich Gulf countries haven't used their natural resources and economic ties with Israel as a pressuring card.

Aye, it's been clear that little assistance is offered.
I only speculate that Israel's brutality might rise
to the level that this could change.

Also, most Arab countries probably realize that a war with Israel would also be a war with the US. Egypt and Israel signed the peace treaty following four wars, after realizing that further war would benefit neither country. The treaty ensured that two generations of Egyptians and Israelis grew up without any war between the two countries. The significance of the peace treaty can hardly be overstated; it was paid for in blood and has spared both countries further bloodshed for decades.

All of this is now at risk because of Netanyahu's rabidly mindless pursuit of the unobtainable goal of "eliminating Hamas." All he's doing is ensuring that more people will be radicalized by a desire for vengeance against the IDF for killing their family and friends and destroying their homes, not to mention that Hamas is present well beyond Gaza and can reorganize its ranks after the war. Netanyahu's attempt to get rid of a problem with deep geopolitical and socioeconomic dimensions exclusively through blunt military force is as irresponsible as it is murderous.

No argument with any of that.
I expect that war against Israel will most likely be
an escalation of enabling fringe fighting groups,
eg, Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah. This makes USA
involvement to continue being indirect.
It's a recipe for many more decades of brutal
oppression & war crimes by Israel, & violent
retaliation (what it calls "terrorism").

 

[Bthoth]

<yawn>

Your vitriol is tiresome.​

</yawn>

The problem is, you ignore what IS REAL.

At least I am not attacking you personally, but you attack me constantly for having a succinct anecdote on the problem.

I am getting the impression, that you know how stupid the quest for the mount is and have zero to offer as a sound rebuttal.

That location is the focal problem and it bugs you to admit just how stupid the pursuit actually is.

 

[exchemist]

The problem is, you ignore what IS REAL.

At least I am not attacking you personally, but you attack me constantly for having a succinct anecdote on the problem.

I am getting the impression, that you know how stupid the quest for the mount is and have zero to offer as a sound rebuttal.

That location is the focal problem and it bugs you to admit just how stupid the pursuit actually is.

Symbolism is important in many religions. You may consider it stupid, but your religion may look just as stupid to others as theirs may do to you. Labelling it stupid will do nothing to lessen its importance to the people involved.

 

[Bthoth]

Symbolism is important in many religions.

OK. Relevance?

You may consider it stupid, but your religion may look just as stupid to others as theirs may do to you.

What religion?

Labelling it stupid will do nothing to lessen its importance to the people involved.

Okey Dokey...................

Do you miss me so much that you reply to what I wrote with gibberish?

 

[exchemist]

OK. Relevance?


What religion?

Okey Dokey...................

Do you miss me so much that you reply to what I wrote with gibberish?

No.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I am getting the impression, that you know how stupid the quest for the mount is and have zero to offer as a sound rebuttal.

That location is the focal problem and it bugs you to admit just how stupid the pursuit actually is.

It seems to me that the problem is mainly illegal occupation, disregard for the safety and lives of civilians, and a refusal to coexist with another state. Millions of people of different religions don't share your view that the Temple Mount is "stupid," and I think it shouldn't be impossible for different religious groups to consider the same location important or sacred and share access or visits to it peacefully. I think focusing on how to do that is much more useful and realistic than calling the location "stupid."

 

[Bthoth]

It seems to me that the problem is mainly illegal occupation, disregard for the safety and lives of civilians, and a refusal to coexist with another state. Millions of people of different religions don't share your view that the Temple Mount is "stupid," and I think it shouldn't be impossible for different religious groups to consider the same location important or sacred and share access or visits to it peacefully. I think focusing on how to do that is much more useful and realistic than calling the location "stupid."

The focal reason israel exists in palestine is that location.

The very settlers being sanctioned by US and UK are over the violence in the west bank and at the al aqsa (mount). Sure there are many issues and problems in palestine but to go over the last 50 yrs and the consistently reoccurring focal point is, that stupid hill (the mount).

'Status quo' has been in effect for quite some time but the rogue, the extremist, continue to attack the locals at that site, which kicks off violence.

That location is the central pursuit and always has been but few have actually done the look see to identify and find out what the problem is.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The focal reason israel exists in palestine is that location.

For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. -- H. L. Mencken