Exactly! At least I care enough to identify that problem and skip the ill regard of the biased.
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Egypt Threatens to Suspend Key Peace Treaty if Israel Pushes into Rafah on Its Border, Officials Say
- Thread starter Debater Slayer
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This is a statement that would require a separate thread to explore and debate.
Settler violence has never been limited to the Temple Mount, and I don't think the decades-long struggle can be reduced to what any group or groups believe about that specific site.
Either way, though, this thread is about the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty and the IDF's attack on Rafah, not about the Temple Mount. Let's please stay on topic.
That's a great motivation. The next step is to learn enough to make that identification something other than worthless.
This will no doubt fall on deaf ears, but you would truly benefit from investing the considerable time required to read Sachar's
A History of Israel: From the Rise of Zionism to Our Time.
Why? Anyone that actually cared would have already done the homework.
No mention of beliefs. UNESCO has already set the tone.
Agreed. IDF attacking the unarmed civilians should be focal on what to stop.
Stay on topic. What is worthless is going on a tangent with someone that actually does not care.
huh?
This question may well drag us further off topic, but do you think the treaty is truly at risk and, if so, what might Egypt do with its Gazan border?
Maybe annex the land between the river to the sea? Perhaps turn Jerusalem into an amusement park.
I figure, just to shut down the suez canal and end gas/oil trade with israel could be a wake up.
Is disavowing the peace treaty merely a statement,
or could it involve some action, eg, arming Palestinians
to resist occupation / apartheid / invasion?
Israel acts badly with impunity because they know
they have USA's unconditional financial & military
support. No matter which party holds the Presidency
or Congress, it will remain so.
Perhaps what Israel needs is a wake-up call such that
US support cannot prevent existential threat. Then
Israel would be forced to negotiate.
or could it involve some action, eg, arming Palestinians
to resist occupation / apartheid / invasion?
Israel acts badly with impunity because they know
they have USA's unconditional financial & military
support. No matter which party holds the Presidency
or Congress, it will remain so.
Perhaps what Israel needs is a wake-up call such that
US support cannot prevent existential threat. Then
Israel would be forced to negotiate.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It may be at risk as a token position as they're caught in a Catch-22 bind.
I think that while there might be a low probability of the treaty's getting suspended or annulled, there are many factors that I can get into later that make the treaty much more likely to stand than go in that direction.
Also, there's this:
As for the Gazan border, Egypt has fortified it:
Egypt deploys over 40 tanks to enhance border security in Rafah as war rages on - Egypt Independent
Security sources announced that Egypt has dispatched up to 40 tanks and armored personnel carriers to North Sinai during the past two weeks in order to enhance security on the border with Gaza.
www.egyptindependent.com
Short of a war with Israel—which, as I said, I don't think will happen—I think the changes along the border will mainly be focused on preventing a mass crossing by Palestinians into Egypt.
Though no expert, I've always suspected that, privately, Egypt is far more concerned about the Muslim Brother, and views Israel as a convenience so long as it doesn't completely destabilize the neighborhood. As such, much of its pronouncements are to a great extent performative.
But I could certainly be wrong. (I really need to find some good sources on Egypt and Jordan.)
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't think you're wrong but captured the truth in a nutshell.
Or they could just sell them tanks to HAMAS and send in all the supplies that the people of gaza need for humanitarian aid?I think that while there might be a low probability of the treaty's getting suspended or annulled, there are many factors that I can get into later that make the treaty much more likely to stand than go in that direction.
Also, there's this:
As for the Gazan border, Egypt has fortified it:
Egypt deploys over 40 tanks to enhance border security in Rafah as war rages on - Egypt Independent
Security sources announced that Egypt has dispatched up to 40 tanks and armored personnel carriers to North Sinai during the past two weeks in order to enhance security on the border with Gaza.
Short of a war with Israel—which, as I said, I don't think will happen—I think the changes along the border will mainly be focused on preventing a mass crossing by Palestinians into Egypt.
If the border of gaza is palestine, then there is no argument. But if israel considers it a crossing of borders, or that egypt is not allowed to open up that crossing, then each will have that proof positive, that concentration camp GAZA is 100% an israelis creation and they are committing an atrocity that is so horrid, that the term 'concentration camp' will forever be describing GAZA and the atrocities that israel has committed.
Then reparations for the victims and their families. Palestinians can seek israel as their homeland and have the whole of the UN and NATO siding with them. Look for UN Res. 181 (b). The 'will of god'
I wasn't posting to express whether I agree or disagree with what is happening on the border; I was just stating what I think is happening or likely to happen. I don't discuss Egyptian politics on RF, hence my posting a summary of the situation (as I understand it) without offering any personal opinions on the picture that I see.
I think it's worth noting that the official positions of Egypt on certain issues and the views of an average citizen sometimes vastly differ. This is also the case in many other countries, including most Middle Eastern ones.
I see that and likewise, i replied with sarcasm. I could never support putting more weapons into the divide, no matter the side.
Although I would love to see a firm hand in sanctions and isolation of israel to force them to stop the restrictions of humanitarian aid to the civilians.
It is disgusting to watch so many defend what israel is doing with rhetoric and misleading claims, even about past atrocities.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which is why I think Israel will eventually close the Rafah Gate.
And you even know that israel controls that concentration camp from all sides.
Because it is an israeli creation.
When will you judge israel for their crimes?
Disgusting. Have you ever been to a concentration camp?