Eight Things Your Pastor Will Never Tell You About the Bible

[Sunstone]

Eight things your pastor will never tell you about the Bible. Interesting article. Please discuss!

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I dunno. I'd tell folks whatever they want to know. And maybe a little more.

 

[Sunstone]

I dunno. I'd tell folks whatever they want to know. And maybe a little more.

I'm fairly sure the Methodist minister who wrote the article did not mean that all pastors withhold information. If he did, that would be ridiculous.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is a very sloppy article.

 

[Sunstone]

It is a very sloppy article.

Thanks! I'll take your word for it.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Yeah. Its alarmist, makes extensive claims without backing them up and also draws some bad conclusions due to lack of context and spins things heavily to make them more exciting. It chats like its thorough and authoritative when it uses spurious reasoning. There are some facts in it that pastors generally don't mention, true. I give it a 4 out of 10.

 

[fantome profane]

It is a very sloppy article.

But are any of the 8 points actually wrong?

 

[BSM1]

Eight things your pastor will never tell you about the Bible. Interesting article. Please discuss!

And God forbid you ever ask them where evil comes from.

 

[Skwim]

It is a very sloppy article.

Not really. It's not meant to present an argument, just a brief statement of each point.

 

[outhouse]

But are any of the 8 points actually wrong?

Quite a bit. It is all such poor work its not worth a refutation.

its better to just to throw it in the trash pile where it belongs

 

[Brickjectivity]

But are any of the 8 points actually wrong?

#2 is wrong for several reasons though his Bible quotes are right. Jesus did multiple times say he wasn't sent 'To the Gentiles', but the context of being a messiah gives global scope to any messiah's influence. Jesus is intending for Jewish people to act upon his words, effectively sending them to the gentiles. If Jesus himself were sent he would have had to rebuke the Roman government, but instead he ignored it. That may not sound global, but he invoked in his sermons various prophecies with global scope. His predecessor John the Baptist preached 'Knowledge of remission of sins by repentance' to the Jews. Such knowledge if a Jew had it would make them morally bound to share it with everyone everywhere. It would be unthinkable to a Jew not to do so if they had such knowledge, I'm sure. Jesus may not have sent disciples to gentiles, but his mission was global. #2 completely wrong, because it was not thoroughly researched.

 

[outhouse]

1) The Apostles of Jesus Seem to Have Known Nothing about a Virgin Birth

Of course not, were dealing with reality here. Apologetics do not dictate the real history involved.

2) Jesus Said He Wanted to Offer Nothing to Gentiles

Only the unknown authors stated this, we don't know but I sort of agree

3) Jesus Tells Everyone Not to Think of Him as God in the First Three Gospels

No

the first 3 gospel authors state this who were far removed from his life, jesus may or may not have told anyone this.

4) The Resurrection Appearances in the Gospels Have Irreconcilable Differences

some spiritual and some physical, some at different times

So what it is not a historical event anyway, it is only a reflection of what different communities believed

5) Jesus Was Against Public Prayer

The authors were, because at that time the movement was trying to stay hidden from persecution, and or being labeled a trouble making Jew


6) Some Books of the Bible Are Forgeries

Nope

It was common practice to attribute names, doesn't make it a forgery.

7) Parts of the Bible Were Intentionally Written to Disagree with Other Parts of the Bible

perversion and out of context

It was trying to correct changing times and changing times of different communities and different cultures all together



8) Apostles Who Had Been Taught by Jesus Himself Insisted that Paul Was Wrong about the Gospel


Lie

we have no idea who was taught what. the authors he makes this claim were far removed from jesus life.

The early movement was wide and diverse and many people loved paul and some hated him.

There were many different opinions early on




Decided I would answer because some people are talking the link out of context and following blindly due to sectarianism and ignorance.

 

[Alceste]

I didn't read the article until I saw who thought it was rubbish. That was enough to persuade me it must be good, and it was!

My seminary educated father expressed similar sentiments, though more succinctly. He said there are two versions of Christianity: one for the clergy and another for the laity. His job as a minister, as he saw it, was to tend to the spiritual needs of his flock without disabusing them of a large number of pretty fictions that brought them through the doors.

 

[Sabour]

Good points.

Some of the points I already knew and some others were not. Would be more happy if I see how these conclusions were made.

 

[sojourner]

But are any of the 8 points actually wrong?

See Brick's post above. It's not a matter of "actually wrong." It's a matter of sensationalism and stuff taken out of context.

 

[sojourner]

Good points.

Some of the points I already knew and some others were not. Would be more happy if I see how these conclusions were made.

They're not particularly "good points." They're sensationalist points taken out of context.

 

[fantome profane]

See Brick's post above. It's not a matter of "actually wrong." It's a matter of sensationalism and stuff taken out of context.

So a good Pastor should be teaching this stuff, if only to put it in the proper context.

 

[sojourner]

So a good Pastor should be teaching this stuff, if only to put it in the proper context.

A good pastor should be honest in her/his presentation of interpretational exegesis of the texts with which s/he deals.

 

[Sabour]

They're not particularly "good points." They're sensationalist points taken out of context.

You didn't even see the evidence to say out of context.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Never debate a haggler. They just don't understand.