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Einstein and Shia Islam

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Honestly,
Did you read the Quran?
I have, and I really can't say I saw it as a science book. But again, why do we need Islam? I think Richard Dawkins, albeit a brilliant scientist, is a living tragedy the way he drives people away from science and has them building up barriers that keep them from learning about it. But it doesn't address why we need Islam.
 
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Kerr

Well-Known Member
what i wanted to say...
is that we as Muslim , do not need to do what Richard Dawkins has done in his book "The God Delusion", where he dedicated [part] of the book in trying to prove that Einstein was an atheist.
If Dawkins did that he was rather silly (I dont know, I have not read it). But trying to tie Einstein to a religious group would be just as silly. Einstein was not an atheist, and he didnt have conventional religious beliefs either.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
But again, why do we need Islam?

Thank you for posing this question...

If I don't have the answer, then this means that I have been cheating and betraying myself for all of these years by following a religion that claims to have all the answer for humanity problems...

But Again, what image of Islam do non-Muslim hold about Islam...
Even for many Muslims, the image of Islam is distorted...

But there is a jewel under the dust... That is why people are increasingly talking about Islam...
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Thank you for posing this question...

If I don't have the answer, then this means that I have been cheating and betraying myself for all of these years by following a religion that claims to have all the answer for humanity problems...

Does it? Isn't it at least possible that you are simply mistaken?

If so, the consequences do not have to be particularly serious.


But Again, what image of Islam do non-Muslim hold about Islam...
Even for many Muslims, the image of Islam is distorted...

Understanding Islam does seem to be quite the challenge for pretty much everyone.


But there is a jewel under the dust... That is why people are increasingly talking about Islam...

Maybe it is. But why don't you tell us why you think we need Islam (in the sense of the religious doctrine, not necessarily the high ideal)?
 

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
From what I've read, Einstein considered Buddhism the great cosmic religion of the future. However, some doubt that he spoke what is often quoted in favor of that:

Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it covers both the natural and the spiritual, and it is based on a religious sense aspiring from the experience of all things, natural and spiritual, as a meaningful unity.
Did he say this? No one really knows for sure. However, there are many articles at this site:
Some of Einstein's Writings on Science and Religion
that reveals that Einstein would have rejected many things in Islam. So was there some secret meeting where Einstein professed faith in the Quran and Islam? I highly doubt it. When speaking of god, Einstein said that he believed in "the god of Spinoza", who himself was a pantheist. So no, Einstein didn't believe in any veracity of Islam.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Prove your above statement please.


You are asking me to prove that I have a certain perception, which amounts to asking whether I am lying. I am not.

In any case, I don't mind. I don't know why you would disagree that understanding Islam is a challenge when you have just stated pretty much the same thing, in any case.

As for why I think so, it is mainly because I have had some contact with the endless, often passionated disagreements about how best to practice Islam.

It is not even all that hard to actually see Shias accusing Sunnis of not being Muslims or vice versa due to disagreements about Hadiths or the validity of Mut'ah.

But if you think that it is a misperception or exageration of mine, fine. I have no horse in that race, and for all I know and even hope you may be right.
 

Assad91

Shi'ah Ali
Islam is simple. Maybe understanding "shia islam" is a challenge. But actual Islam isn't all that hard.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Islam is simple. Maybe understanding "shia islam" is a challenge. But actual Islam isn't all that hard.

So According to you there is "Islam" and and there is "Shia Islam", which is something other than Islam.

We used the talk of your kind of creatures.

Wait and you will see.


The (faithful) slaves of the Beneficent are they who walk upon the earth modestly, and when the foolish ones address them answer: Peace;
سورة الفرقان - سورة 25 - آية 63

وعباد الرحمن الذين يمشون على الارض هونا واذا خاطبهم الجاهلون قالوا سلاما
 

h05531n

Member
Translation by Google!;)

Last book Einstein / Thread: Einstein's correspondence with the Grand Ayatollah Boroujerdi Jerusalem trip

Albert Einstein in his final essay topic: D Arklrvng ", the statement," which in 1954 (n = 1333), it is written in German in America Prefers Islam over all religions of the world and consider it complete and Mqvltryn religion. In this paper, the fact that Einstein's secret correspondence with Grand Ayatollah Boroujerdi (1340 ft M n = 1961), which is chosen by the translators of the King of Persia and has been closed.

Einstein in the paper "Theory of Relativity" with verses from the Holy Quran and the Hadith of Nahjolbalaghe tempered doors and all over Bharalanvar Allama Majlisi (from Arabic to English and ... by Hamid-Reza Pahlavi (SB 1371 feet) and translation under Ayatollah Boroujerdi has been adapted and written descriptions that are nowhere to be found in any religion a brain full of traditions and sayings of the leaders of the theory is only the Shia complex "Relativity" Nfhmydhand vast majority of scientists provided it. including traditionary Allama Majlisi about physical ascension of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has narrated that the Holy Prophet takeoff leg skirt or fresh water to the container and the container is inverted., but after that the Holy Prophet (PBUH) ascension of the physical will see that after all this time still pouring water on the ground it is within the tradition of Einstein's scientific statements treasured Shiite leaders in the field of "time dilation and relativity," as detailed physical description of the writes. , ...

Also Einstein in the paper "Jmsany Resurrection" is the way of physical evidence (in addition to Newton's third law of action and reaction =.) He mathematical formula "resurrection" to photograph famous formula "relativity, matter and energy" as: E = M . C2 >> M = E: C2 is converted into energy that our bodies back, even if just "a matter of life will become.

Ayatollah Boroujerdi's book Einstein consistently and repeatedly with respect to the term "big Boroujerdi," remembers the late Prof. account over the term "very dear" ...

The purchase price of $ 000/000/3 paper by Professor Ibrahim Mahdavi (resident in London) with the help of some members of the company Mercedes and Ford. Antique Einstein was a Jew, and handwriting recognition on all pages of this book by the Czech computer and confirmed that he has written this book to your. This valuable book is now being translated from German into English - by doctor Jesus Mahdavi (brother doctor Ibrahim Mahdavi) and coupled with research and provide sources mentioned in the text (by me) and most of the text is translated and technical research . The original version of this paper, the security of London Series Safe - deposit of Professor Ibrahim Mahdavi - kept buried. For more details and the registration number is chosen at the beginning of this book will provide readers informed.

Gzdhay Einstein's last paper: (DIE ERKLA "RUNG Persian month Dey Arklrvng = STATEMENT): The doctor Jesus Mahdavi, R & Foreword and Notes: Alexander Jahangiri

Introduction

In early 1382, SSI (= 2003 AD), Prof. Ibrahim Mahdavi (born 1310 Proj) - based in London after a trip to America and Germany and France and meet some capitalists car company "Ford" in America and "Benz" in German and "Concord" in France and satisfy some of their members for financial support to buy the monograph can be expensive to buy it from an antiques finally got to sign Jewish branded. The price for this thesis is that all your line Einstein was over three million dollars was paid to such Prorated:

1/000/000 $ BENZ honor that Einstein was German.

1/000/000 $ FORD honor and to honor the lives of those who lived in America. FBI. Kennedy. President of America (deceased 1963 CE) in his paper, Einstein repeatedly named her as America's next president, but in 1954 AD (the year of this writing) still remained seven years since he was elected! This is one of Einstein's predictions. Perhaps clues to the mystery of the serial assassinations of the Kennedy family, in this paper, there is marvelous that we can understand why Kennedy was killed? Where is the secret to this mystery? Because his family were victims? And why ... ?

500/000 $: CONCORDE Lavazyh his honor - the victim of the 1794 Revolution / or riot / France - and the law of conservation of matter in which he is mentioned several times in this paper.

500/000 $: TITANIC remember the victims of the accident tragic ship "Titanic" in English as Alexander Fleming, English (died 1955 AD) - the discoverer of penicillin and helpers Einstein in writing this book - parts of the mysteries of medical science and biology Pharmacology and gets it.

The main characters in this book: Albert Einstein (suspicious death 1955 AD) / Alexander Fleming (died 1955 CE) Grand Ayatollah Hossein Boroujerdi (died 1961 AD) / Niels Bohr (Bohr) chemist and the Danish physicist who also Einstein in writing of his collaboration (died 1962 AD) / John. FBI. Kennedy (deceased 1963 AD) / Alireza Pahlavi (Translator and the Interface) (died as a result of the crash by the elements of the "bars. G. B." Soviet Union in 1954 AD (= 1333 SH - since writing this essay) / Hamid-Reza Pahlavi (the translator and interface died 1371 SH = 1992), who introduced Einstein and Niels Bohr, at the time he was 22 years old.

The question that arises here is why death dates (1954 - 1955 and again 1955 AD) and three dates of death (1961 - 1962 to 1963 AD), exactly Located behind? And why the author (Einstein), with her ​​main partner in this version (Alexander Fleming) both in one year (1955 AD) dead? And because one of Translators and connectors (as ... c ...) in the same year John has written Raslh caused the crash? And because a few years ago, two children and other interface interpreter (C ... C ...) named Behzad and thin young age suspiciously poisoned and died outside of Iran?

And finally, why should the resale of such person (Einstein) for about half a century (!) Kept secret and why "Safe British series" excuse to avoid creation of "a Rvlvshn (= the religious dangerous" to allow the proliferation of scientific work - religious We will not under any circumstances?

Beginning of the text book, the first book of the Einstein / Ayatollah Boroujerdi told the German phrase: Hrtslysh Grvshs fan Herzliche Gru `` & e von Einstein Einstein Einstein = a neighborly hello Smymanhtryn Sharif Islamic world leader Ayatollah Seyyed Hossein Boroujerdi. After 40 correspondence that you've taken the teachings of Islam and the Shia Imami 12 (* 1)'ve accepted / I want the world to believe that if they repent will never be able even I Pakizeh to have doubts, little! Now that old sickness has me disabled and frail Mrts month (March) (* 2) 1954 (* 3 *) that I'm living in America and around the country.

Do you remember when i met you in August (August) (* 4 *) in 1946, about 8 years ago (* 5). I remember that on 6 August 1945 when the man unclean dirty (* 6 *) my physical discovery - the discovery of the latent power of the atom - like Saqhay and destructive fire on defenseless civilians in Hiroshima collapsed from the intensity of my grief and Overlooking the sadness of death, and I intend to sign and ratify the international agreement that I checked out.

Although successful in the way that I did, but the result was a great man that you are familiar with my somewhat of great sadness. And finally relievin of me was to Islam Covert. As the last notes I have Summing up the forty letters / Dear readers (D) as well as the writing of Mr. Boroujerdi - living in the city of Qom / Iran - as I in August 1939 (7) wrote to Roosevelt - President Time America - her progress Nazi Germany - at the beginning of World War II - the splitting of the atom and release its enormous power to kill and destroy and inhibit impulsive learned some cities and built strictly to him (Roosevelt) said that prevent Nazi Germany from the map gory ... Have a superpower like America - that I Aqltryn and ... Khvnsrdtryn current world superpowers - immediately commissioned a scientific investigation - the splitting of atomic nuclei - and may soon have to make a nuclear bomb, because sooner or later the dog chained in the - that is, Adolf Hitler Khvankhvar racism - its (bomb ) and because it does not meet the conventional war opponents all around the world - and it's sure to appeal to at least a dozen cities targeted for nuclear bombs has been. But when America ... It is pre-made and announced to the world burn Ydgr not crazy like Hitler! His Holiness Pope Pius XII so well - the start of his Pontifical Catholic Christians for the world / of the year 1939 - a fatwa issued only strongly indicated that it would never be the weapons of war - even with Nazi Germany - Use the letter to me before that time Syed Hassan Sharif Islamic leader (Abolhassan Esfahani - who were residing in Najaf - I / he also replied that the desperation is about to be made ​​a bomb attack Germans fear, and Atomic done in no country., but Islamic law generally prohibits the use of a deadly weapon, and it should never be - a more Elementary - I repeat again be used even against Nazi Germany. It should not be used as nuclear and conventional weapons should be confronted with Nazi Germany. "

............. is continuing


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1 - Zwo "Iffach

2 - Ma "rz

3 - SB with late 1332 / early 1333 or SB

4 - 5 - August approximately August of 1325 calendar

6 - presumably he meant: Harry Truman (1945-1953) is

7 - roughly equal to the Persian date 13 Mordad

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Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Bellow is part of the biography of Ayatollah Seyyed Hossein Borujerdi from wikipedia:

Education and academic specialties


Borujerdi was born in March 1875 in the city of Borujerd in Lorestan Province in Iran, hence the surname. His family traced its lineage 30 generations to Hassan ibn Ali the grand son of the Prophet Muhammad. At the age of 11 he began his education at the theological schools of his city, under his father Sayed Ali. Then in 1310 (1892–93) he went to the theological school of Isfahan to continue his education. In the ten years that he studied in Isfahan he completed his sutuh studies and was also granted the level of Ijtihad from his teachers, and began teaching Usul. Around the age of 30 Burujerdi moved from Isfahan to the theological seminary of Najaf, Iraq to continue his education.[2]

In his youth, Borujerdi studied under a number of Shia masters of fiqh such as Mohammad-Kazem Khorasani and Aqa Zia Iraqi, and specialized in fiqh. He studied the fiqahat of all the Islamic schools of thought, not just his own, along with the science of rijal. [...] He has had a strong influence on Islamic scholars like Morteza Motahhari and Hussein-Ali Montazeri.

Tenure as Ayatollah and Marja


Borujerdi revived the hawza of Qom in 1945 (1364 AH), which had waned after the death in 1937 of its founder, Abdul-Karim Ha'eri Yazdi. When Sayyid Abul Hassan Isfahani died the following year, the majority of Shi'a accepted Ayatullah Borujerdi as Marja'. Scholar Roy Mottahedeh reports that Borujerdi was the sole marja "in the Shia world" from 1945-6 until his death in 1961.[3]

Efforts toward Islamic unity


Borujerdi was the first Marja to look beyond Iraq and Iran. He sent Sayyid Muhaqqiqi to Hamburg, Germany, Aqa-e-Shari'at to Karachi, Pakistan, Al-Faqihi to Medina and Musa al-Sadr to Lebanon.

He established cordial relations with Mahmud Shaltut, the grand Shaykh of al-Azhar Mosque. Together, the two scholars established the "House for Bringing Muslim Sects Nearer" in Cairo. Shaltut issued a famous fatwa accepting the Shi'a faith as one of the recognised sects of Islam.

Political leanings

[...]

Ayatollah Borujerdi passively opposed the Pahlavi regime's agrarian reforms, which he called "agrarian destruction."[6] In his view, the confiscations of large concentrations of landholdings of aristocrats and clergy by the Pahlavi shahs disrupted the fabric of rural life and eroded religious institutions.

Ruhollah Khomeini, who would lead the Iranian people's revolution in 1979, was a pupil of Borujerdi and Borujerdi forbade him to take part in political activities, a ban which only ended with Borujerdi's death.

Death
Borujerdi died in Qom on March 30, 1961.[7] The Shah proclaimed three days of mourning and attended a memorial service in his honor.[8]

[I skiped parts of the biography, as not everything in wikipedia is true].
Seyyed Hossein Borujerdi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Onasander

Member
Most philosophers (seem to now) agree Einstein was a follower of Spinoza's Pantheism. So unlikely Shia influenced in religion, as he likely couldn't begin to care about Islam's Allah.
 
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