Election score jump

[Unveiled Artist]

It's a batch process, in which batches of votes are counted and then signed off as correct. So there will be jumps. That's what you expect.

Hmm. I kept hearing the election was riggered because of the jump. Which makes me wonder how much we trust the government. We can't do much about it either way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No. I was wondering about the split second score change not the nature of the scores etc.

I was told by a republican as well but I think her views confirmed that the jump meant the election was rigged.

It's kind of like when you see the minute change for a sec on a digital clock. I don't know.

You clearly do not know. Updates were never vote by vote. The updates were, and always have been, irregular. That means at times you will see a noticeable change in the totals. This does not indicate cheating.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Typically, in-person ballots get reported before mail-in ballots are reported. It's sometimes also the case that ballots cast on election day get counted before ballots cast at advance polls.

In past elections, many Republican-controlled areas have seen voter suppression at in-person polls in heavily Democrat areas: e.g. understaffed polling places, leading to very long lines for voters.

This election, there was a concerted attempt by many Democrats to do an end run around these suppression tactics by voting by mail or voting in advance polls. Because of this, the early results in many areas skewed Republican until all the votes were counted.

Is that what you're describing?

I think so. I was thinking maybe a technical error in the site or a lag. I honestly don't believe it was a clean election but beliefs and opinions aren't always facts.

 

[exchemist]

Hmm. I kept hearing the election was riggered because of the jump. Which makes me wonder how much we trust the government. We can't do much about it either way.

Well that was just Trump lies, wasn't it? He mounted around sixty (60) court challenges to the vote and all of them were thrown out by the judges, many of whom were judges Trump himself had appointed. So that tells you pretty clearly that there was no rigging of anything. So you can relax. There is nothing wrong with the integrity of the vote.

 

[dybmh]

Urban areas take longer to count. Urban areas largely voted for Biden. Urban areas have larger batches of ballots reported.

That is why the election score seemed to jump.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hmm. I kept hearing the election was riggered because of the jump. Which makes me wonder how much we trust the government. We can't do much about it either way.

Nope, that is simply how they have always been reported.

Think of it this way, they could not alert the press every time that they counted one vote. I watched it live and saw no unexpected jumps.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

How fast do you think it takes a computer to update a read-out?



I try to start there too. I think 'I don't know' is the best place to start from if one wants to learn the truth. Then proceed cautiously to gather information...

I got the impression (not my opinion) that the election was rigged because of it. Multiple people said it but their views was that the government did it on purpose because of their dislike of trump. I know our govn isn't "god" so I wouldn't at all be surprised.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No. I was wondering about the split second score change not the nature of the scores etc.

There were many "split second score changes" the night of the election. Each poll reports their result all at once. When a poll is in an area heavily leaning to one party, this can cause a jump in the totals and the percentages - especially at the state level - all at once.

But the thing that matters isn't the reporting on election night; it's the certified results a few days later.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thanks guys. Here's an somewhat off question. Do you believe the government has the ability to change the scores without people noticing it?

In other words, in any political heated issue, how much do you believe and trust the government and media before a light bulb goes off something's up?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I remember seeing the scores jump in favor of biden. One time there were two different scores on two seperate sites (maybe one didn't update, I don't know). Anyhow, trying to set away from confirmation biases and your hate for trump, has anyone else including the few I know actually see the score change?

I'm not political so I just thought it was weird. But I'm sure thousands of democrats would not have seen it?

I don't trust our government that much to take everything they feed to us on a spoon.

There's no political party pretext to the question.

Whenever I hear of scores, I think of China.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hmm. I kept hearing the election was riggered because of the jump. Which makes me wonder how much we trust the government. We can't do much about it either way.

Its why the elites are always in charge. Probably always will be.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think so. I was thinking maybe a technical error in the site or a lag.

Is that all you're describing?

Yeah - I'm sure lots of news sites were overwhelmed by people hitting refresh over and over.

I honestly don't believe it was a clean election but beliefs and opinions aren't always facts.

The Republicans were up to their old tricks like usual - they realize that high turnout favours the Democrats - but I get the sense you're talking about something else.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Thanks guys. Here's an somewhat off question. Do you believe the government has the ability to change the scores without people noticing it?

FYI: the way you keep calling election results "scores" suggests that you don't know what you're talking about.

In other words, in any political heated issue, how much do you believe and trust the government and media before a light bulb goes off something's up?

Ballot counting is observed by representatives from every party. If something strange happens, they see it and challenge it. If their count doesn't match the count by the election workers, they challenge it. If the count from one poll location doesn't match the total for the district or the state, they challenge it.

Trust in the government or the media isn't really necessary to have confidence in the election result.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

FYI: the way you keep calling election results "scores" suggests that you don't know what you're talking about.


Ballot counting is observed by representatives from every party. If something strange happens, they see it and challenge it. If their count doesn't match the count by the election workers, they challenge it. If the count from one poll location doesn't match the total for the district or the state, they challenge it.

Trust in the government or the media isn't really necessary to have confidence in the election result.

The second part, I was asking in general. How much do you guys trust what you receive from the government?

Is there a scenario that may set off there's something wrong?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Is that all you're describing?

Yeah - I'm sure lots of news sites were overwhelmed by people hitting refresh over and over.


The Republicans were up to their old tricks like usual - they realize that high turnout favours the Democrats - but I get the sense you're talking about something else.

Basically. I was just wondering if people saw the jump in numbers not specific to rep and dem opinions on the issue.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Basically. I was just wondering if people saw the jump in numbers not specific to rep and dem opinions on the issue.

But what jump in numbers? You've been so vague about this that I still don't know what you're referring to... or even if what you described actually happened at all.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

OK. Assuming you are talking about the presidential election, rather than the Congressional ones, that display is showing electoral college votes. Agreed?

All the electoral college votes that each state has in its gift are given to the candidate that wins the popular vote in that state (with, I think, two exceptions). So it is expected that the tally will jump discontinuously when the results for a state are declared.

Is that what you saw? If so it is what you expect. It's how the US electoral college system works. Or do you mean something else?

A republican (if that makes a difference) told me about it. I wouldn't have paid it no mind when I saw the lag, since I can't do much about it "if" the election was rigged.

It's probably like others say too, it's just how the votes came.. so changing per collection of votes. How it works, I don't know. I'm neither demo or republican.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think so. I was thinking maybe a technical error in the site or a lag. I honestly don't believe it was a clean election but beliefs and opinions aren't always facts.

There was investigation in challenged states. The claimed "fraud" would have left evidence. None was to be found. Georgia was checked with both a hand recount of all ballots and an investigation that showed that the mail in ballots were genuine and of legal voters. All that the Trump supporters had were endless claims of fraud but no evidence. When the evidence only supports one side who do you believe?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

There was investigation in challenged states. The claimed "fraud" would have left evidence. None was to be found. Georgia was checked with both a hand recount of all ballots and an investigation that showed that the mail in ballots were genuine and of legal voters. All that the Trump supporters had were endless claims of fraud but no evidence. When the evidence only supports one side who do you believe?

I honestly can't jude because the emotions involve and that I can't claim to know everything to take a side,it makes it useless trying to weed out people's opinions or confirmed biases over facts. Unless people think the government is errorless and perfect, I'm still wondering what people's "red flags" are.

Do they have them? Or does it need to be an extreme case to judge their governments behavior in general?

 

[exchemist]

Thanks guys. Here's an somewhat off question. Do you believe the government has the ability to change the scores without people noticing it?

In other words, in any political heated issue, how much do you believe and trust the government and media before a light bulb goes off something's up?

No of course not. Each state has its own election officials. There is absolutely no mechanism by which "the government" can fake vote numbers. And what motive would "the government" have to do that in any case? And if there had been some fraud, at least some of Trump's court challenges would have had some substance and would have been upheld. But they weren't. They were all thrown out. So unless you are paranoid enough to think that Trump-appointed judges connived at denying Trump justice, that is powerful evidence there was nothing whatsoever wrong with the election.

But I tell you what does make a lightbulb go off. It's when the president utters obvious lies. Once you've seen him caught him out in half a dozen lies, you ought, if you have any brains at all, to start wondering whether what he says about the next thing is really true or not. Up to and including claims the election was fraudulent.