So are you arguing against the banning any “elective” surgeries?
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Elective surgery is banned unless... it is for abortion
- Thread starter Shaul
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Is it less “non-elective” than a hip or knee joint replacement surgery? Those are banned as “elective” too.
Read the article.
It is more non-elective.
I can understand that.
Could it be that some lesions are less elective than others?
(You mentioned what seemed like imminent death.)
Would you object to it if it used older technology? Abortions are nothing new, though safe abortions are.
What about other old methods like exposure? These were once common.
What about the misery and ruined lives caused by unwanted children?
dfnj
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The point of the ban is to free resources needed to deal with the current pandemic. If a procedure isn't impeding the treatment of seriously ill patients I see no harm in it.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My glasses are unnatural, but I like having clear vision so I'll keep wearing them. Also, to say I have cadaver tissue in my, that would get me accused of witchcraft and necromancy in some places and times it's so unnatural.
Cooky
Veteran Member
There's no such thing. It's all a matter of perspective.
If there's no such thing, then how can it be a matter of perspective?
Cooky
Veteran Member
Yes, it still falls in the unnatural category. And seems negative.
Cooky
Veteran Member
Simple, there is no such thing as an actual "ruined" life. That's a subjective opinion.
I take it there is no such a thing as an actual subjective opinion?
How can you say that? A young girl forced into a life of poverty and public assistance. Plans for college or high school graduation abandoned. Prospects of a good job or career gone?
And what about prospects for the child? Poverty breeds poverty. The chances of a child of the underclass bettering himself are not good. The chances of him ending up in prison, on the other hand, are considerably better.
Augustus
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What is "natural" (among humans and other animals) is simply leaving weak or unwanted babies to die. Modern concepts of human rights are artificial.
"Natural" doesn't necessarily mean good or better.
Cooky
Veteran Member
My wife and I had our first daughter at 17, while we were in high school. So what. Now I clear over $200,000 a year.. Because I tried... Society is set up to enable people to move forward, including daycare and student loans. There's also adoption.
...Nothing wrong with holding this opinion, is there?
Cooky
Veteran Member
That's natural for other primates like monkeys or chimps. But it's not natural for human beings. For humans it's a dysfunctional trait, because mentally healthy humans don't do that.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I only said there's no such thing as a "ruined life". Because even handicapped people can think positively about life.
Life can't be "Ruined" unless you say it's ruined from your own imagination. But it's not in any measurable way.