Elijah

[101G]

You are confusing Genesis 6:1 with Genesis 6:2. The sons of God were the heavenly watchers who took daughters of man to produce the "men of renown" (Genesis 6:4), in which produced the demon spirits according to the Book of Enoch, or in affect produce the demons which are to bring about the upcoming "Har-Magedon" (Rev 16:13-16), the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32), the "day of distress" (Jeremiah 16:19 & 30;7-11), the "furnace of fire" (Mt 13:30).

Genesis 6:2 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

the Sons of God are humans.

and as for who The Nephilim/Giants was? short answer, "MIGHTY MEN" which were two types

Type I. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men of valor, “A Warrior”.

Type II. “Mighty Men”, Ordinary men in stature, “A Giant”
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To understand who they, The Nephilim/Giants were, one need to understand their origins, and where their place was, A. before the flood, and B. after the flood in the scriptures. The scriptures that reveals it all for us before and after the flood is Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown”.
The key phrase in the verse is, “the same, (giants), became mighty men”. there is our first step in identifying who these Giants/Nephilim are. these giants/Nephilim became know as "MIGHTY MEN". knowing that, let's zero in on "MIGHTY MEN". the definition, Mighty Men: H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj, here mean, גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened] 1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant. [intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.

The KJV can translate the Nephilim, the Giants also as a man, but notice “MIGHTY MAN”, or valiant man.
Understand, our term Giant/Nephilim identifies what we’re looking for. two types of mighty men A. “Mighty Men” in valor. B. Mighty Men in Stature. So our first clue tells us to look for “ mighty men” in the bible, either of A. in valor. B. in Stature/Height.

before the flood, we say that the sons of God who had these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” was ordinary men and women, AND NOT ANGELS, (Children of, descendants of Adam and Even when in the Garden). which we can prove by revealing who these giants, these Nephilim, these “mighty men” are after the flood and then we can understand who they are before the flood, and see that they had ordinary human fathers and mothers.

king David, and some of his men was identified as MIGHTY MEN who killed a lot of other men. Let’s catalogue David's mighty men. In 2 Samuel 23:8 read through to the end of the chapter. Two things to notice in strong 2 Samuel 23. in verse 8 we have the term “Mighty Men” which is the same term used in Genesis 6, here it is again, H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful. 2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

The exact same word used in Genesis 6 for giants/Nephilim. also notice 2 Samuel 23:18 "And Abishai, the brother of Joab, the son of Zeruiah, was chief among three. And he lifted up his spear against three hundred, and slew them, and had the name among three.

Here, the "NAME" is the Hebrew word, H8034 שֵׁם shem (shame) n-m.
1. an appellation, as a mark or memorial of individuality.
2. (by implication) honor, authority, character.
[a primitive word (perhaps rather from H7760 through the idea of definite and conspicuous position)]
KJV: + base, (in-)fame(-ous), named(-d), renown, report.
Root(s): H7760

did one see how it could be translated in the KJV? ..... "renown" just as in Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown".

they made a name for themselve by killing many men, just as David.

101G will stop here, because he said the short version..... (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

Where in the genealogy of Luke do we find a break in the blood line?

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

supposed?

101G

 

[2ndpillar]

the Sons of God are humans.

The "sons of God" with respect to Job, included Satan (Job 2:1) I suggest that you become more familiar with the "Word of God". "Humans" in general, don't "present themselves before the LORD". The exception might be Elijah and Enoch, who were taken to heaven, and they didn't hire an Uber to present themselves.

New King James Version Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

 

[2ndpillar]

they made a name for themselve by killing many men, just as David.

They were the giants, one of whom David killed. These were men like Hercules who were known as sons of gods. None the less, their spirits were the demon spirits which still abide on the earth, taking domicile in the hearts of men and swine(Rev 16:13). That is why you have so many crazy people running around hollering at the moon, voting for Biden, and unable to perceive the difference between men and women..

 

[101G]

The "sons of God" with respect to Job, included Satan (Job 2:1) I suggest that you become more familiar with the "Word of God". "Humans" in general, don't "present themselves before the LORD". The exception might be Elijah and Enoch, who were taken to heaven, and they didn't hire an Uber to present themselves.

New King James Version Job 2:1
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

ARE U that IGNORANT? listen Job was, and Is a son of God. listen and LEARN, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Job 1:2 "And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters." Job 1:3 "His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east."

see that term "men" of the EAST? men here is the Hebrew term,
H1121 בֵּן ben (bane) n-m.
בָּנִים baniym (ba-neem') [plural]
בְּנִי bniy (ben-ee') [possessive singular]
בָּנַי banay (baw-nah'ee) [possessive plural]
(used widely) a son (as a builder of the family name).
{in the widest sense of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1 H251, etc.).}
[from H1129]

this is the same term used in Genesis chapter 6 for the term there "son of God". U didn't see that coming .... did you.... (smile), Yikes!

now as for Satan coming among them, do not mean that he's a son of God. Listen and LEARN again. teach by example. if the 2nd pillar family has a reunion at the park, and 101G come amoung the 2ndpillar family, do that make 101G a 2ndpillar family member? of course not. neither satan coming among the family of God.

and two, just because satan go to church, it don't make him a member..... YIKES!...... understrand now?

"Humans" in general, don't "present themselves before the LORD".

another Error. Joshua 24:1 "And Joshua gathered all the tribes of Israel to Shechem, and called for the elders of Israel, and for their heads, and for their judges, and for their officers; and they presented themselves before God."

Deuteronomy 31:14 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thy days approach that thou must die: call Joshua, and present yourselves in the tabernacle of the congregation, that I may give him a charge. And Moses and Joshua went, and presented themselves in the tabernacle of the congregation."

must 101G go on?

we suggest you re-read this pots for edification.

101G

 

[101G]

They were the giants, one of whom David killed. These were men like Hercules who were known as sons of gods.

ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, get that Greek mythology out of your head, Listen and Learn. Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

these giants ..... the same became mighty men as said, there was two types. now in Height. Goliath was the "Giant", you speak of and he human parents. Remember the term H1368 גִּבּוֹר gibbowr (ghib-bore') adj. Goliath was a "WARRIOR," the champion, the Philistine
גִּבֹּר gibbor (ghib-bore') [shortened]
1. powerful.
2. (by implication) a warrior, tyrant.
[intensive from the same as H1397]
KJV: champion, chief, X excel, giant, man, mighty (man, one), strong (man), valiant man.
Root(s): H1397

see that word "champion" LEARN.....
1 Samuel 17:23 "And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them”. Here the scriptures say that Goliath was a Philistine. And Goliath himself tells us that he is a Philistine. 1 Samuel 17:8 "And he stood and cried unto the armies of Israel, and said unto them, Why are ye come out to set your battle in array? am not I a Philistine, and ye servants to Saul? choose you a man for you, and let him come down to me”. We know without a doubt that Goliath of Gath is a Philistine.
Now the question comes, where did the Philistine come from? Answer, let’s look at the genealogy of Noah sons and trace back to Goliath of Gath who is a Philistine. Genesis 10:6 "And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan”.
One of Ham’s sons were Mizraim. Let’s look at Mizraim sons. Genesis 10:13 "And Mizraim begat Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim, 14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”. As we can see Mizraim had a son name Casluhim which out of him came a people called Philistim.
This is the same exact genealogy out of 1 Chronicles 1:12. Let’s compare them

1 Chronicles 1:12 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (of whom came the Philistines,) and Caphthorim”.
Genesis 10:14 "And Pathrusim, and Casluhim, (out of whom came Philistim,) and Caphtorim”.
Perfect match, so we know that Philistim in Genesis 10:14 is the Philistines in 1 Chronicles 1:12.
Knowing this, the Philistines came from HAM, one of Noah sons, who had Mizraim, who had Casluhim.

So this Giant Goliath came from ordinary men and women NOT FROM ANY ANGELIC UNION WITH HUMAN WOMAN. see, This Genesis 6 myth is coming apart. in the book of Numbers 13:33 "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight".
Here we see giants in stature/height the term "Giants"/nephilim is associated with the sons of Anak which can be trace back to HAM. a son of Noah.

no angelic intervention, that's men invention told by the devil to start a LIE.

101G.

 

[2ndpillar]

ERROR, ERROR, ERROR, get that Greek mythology out of your head, Listen and Learn. Genesis 6:4 "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

The mighty men became gods. Babel had a triad of main gods, with Bel being their sun god, whereas the Gentile church has chosen the "dragon", the sun god Sol Invictus, whose day or worship is Sunday. The king of Ur was a giant of a man and was worshipped as a god. The men of "renown" were giants of men and became gods to the people. The Gentile church also worships a man as their god and have added a triad of identities to put on him. Well, the "son of man" is coming back, and he will be set up as "Lord", by the "LORD" (Ez 34:24), and he will rule the survivors of the "nations"/Gentiles with a rod of iron (Rev 19:15)(Zech 14:16). As for your new "covenant", based on falsehoods and deception" "it shall not stand" (Isaiah 28:15-18).

Isaiah 28:15 Because you have said, “We have made a covenant with death,
And with Sheol we have made a pact.
The overwhelming scourge will not reach us when it passes by,
For we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed ourselves with deception.”
16Therefore thus says the Lord GOD,
“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone,
A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed.
He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

17“I will make justice the measuring line
And righteousness the level;
Then hail will sweep away the refuge of lies
And the waters will overflow the secret place.

18“Your covenant with death will be canceled,
And your pact with Sheol will not stand;
When the overwhelming scourge passes through,
Then you become its trampling place.

 

[101G]

The mighty men became gods.

Judges..... maybe? (smile), lol, lol, lol..... this is just too much. Lord have mercy.

101G

 

[Redemptionsong]

The "break in the blood line" is between "Jesus" the supposed "son of Joseph", and "Joseph".

Luke's genealogy is not the genealogy of Joseph. If you check the Greek text, you will see that it does not say 'son of' in the Greek [Luke 3:23].
The whole genealogy consists of males, and runs to Mary's father, Heli. Heli is Joseph's father in law.
There is, therefore, an unbroken blood line from Mary to Adam. Jesus inherits Mary's side of the DNA but not Joseph's.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"

supposed?

101G

As explained to 2ndpillar, Luke 3:23 does not say 'son of' in the Greek. If you use a KJV you will see these words are written in italic, meaning that they do not exist in the original.
Heli was the father of Mary, and the father in law to Joseph. Joseph's father was Jacob [see Matthew's Gospel].
This means that Mary's blood line runs through Heli, all the way back to Adam. Jesus would have inherited the DNA of his mother, but not Joseph.

 

[101G]

As explained to 2ndpillar, Luke 3:23 does not say 'son of' in the Greek. If you use a KJV you will see these words are written in italic, meaning that they do not exist in the original.
Heli was the father of Mary, and the father in law to Joseph. Joseph's father was Jacob [see Matthew's Gospel].
This means that Mary's blood line runs through Heli, all the way back to Adam. Jesus would have inherited the DNA of his mother, but not Joseph.

Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,"
the First term "son" here is the Greek term,
G5207 υἱός huios (hwiy-yos') n.
1. a son.
2. (of animals) a colt, etc.
3. (broadly) a descendant.
{used very widely of immediate, remote or figuratively, kinship}
[apparently a primary word]
KJV: child, foal, son

it makes no difference, the key here is the Lord Jesus is neither of Joseph nor Mary's bloodline.

101G

 

[Elihoenai]

IMOP the expectation was that Elijah was to literally return. He did not!

* John wasn't really Elijah.
* Jesus wasn't the Jewish Messiah, at least not of their expectations.

The title that Jesus used was "son of man" not Messiah.

Matthew 9:14

14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?

Matthew 11:18-19

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


Is the Son of Man the Same as the Son of Elohim/God?

How could the Son of Man be Greater than Elijah/John the Baptist given that Elijah/John the Baptist Fasts Often and the Son of Man does not Fast?

I see that you have argued against Elijah/John the Baptist.

 

[Colt]

Matthew 9:14

14 Then came to him the disciples of John, saying, Why do we and the Pharisees fast oft, but thy disciples fast not?

Matthew 11:18-19

18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


Is the Son of Man the Same as the Son of Elohim/God?

How could the Son of Man be Greater than Elijah/John the Baptist given that Elijah/John the Baptist Fasts Often and the Son of Man does not Fast?

I see that you have argued against Elijah/John the Baptist.

Because fasting is a man-made religious practice.

 

[2ndpillar]

Luke's genealogy is not the genealogy of Joseph. If you check the Greek text, you will see that it does not say 'son of' in the Greek [Luke 3:23].
The whole genealogy consists of males, and runs to Mary's father, Heli. Heli is Joseph's father in law.
There is, therefore, an unbroken blood line from Mary to Adam. Jesus inherits Mary's side of the DNA but not Joseph's.

I use an English text bible which is quite clear as to "Jesus" being a son of "Joseph" with no mention of Mary. As for the "Greeks", the famous philosopher, Virgil, says to beware of gifts from the Greeks. As discovered by the Trojans, it is deadly to trust the Greeks. I mean, you can make a sow fly, but first you have to buy a plane ticket, load the sow/pig on the plane, and then once airborne, throw the pig out the window. It is easier to just admit that pigs don't fly, instead of inserting facts which are not present. But then where would you be?

 

[2ndpillar]

Judges..... maybe? (smile), lol, lol, lol..... this is just too much. Lord have mercy.

101G

Many kings/emperors/dictators were considered gods, with the Japanese emperor and Julius Caesar being recent and quite prominent. The earlier ones such as Gilgamesh, was considered a giant and a god. Kings known as gods:

List of people who have been considered deities - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[2ndpillar]

Because fasting is a man-made religious practice.

I don't know. Apparently, Yeshua fasted 40 days and nights (Mt 4). Actually, according to new data, regular fasting can be good for one's health. But then as today's culture is one of an unhealthy population, what would they know, except to eat cheap over processed foods which call for constant eating to prevent crashing and mental fog. Just saying.

 

[2ndpillar]

As explained to 2ndpillar, Luke 3:23 does not say 'son of' in the Greek. If you use a KJV you will see these words are written in italic, meaning that they do not exist in the original.
Heli was the father of Mary, and the father in law to Joseph. Joseph's father was Jacob [see Matthew's Gospel].
This means that Mary's blood line runs through Heli, all the way back to Adam. Jesus would have inherited the DNA of his mother, but not Joseph.

I guess maybe you shouldn't be following a bible dedicated to the glory of a gay king (James), if it is taking you down a dark alley. I mean, when was the KJB written, and what was their agenda, and who was their king? And who was the "kingdom" turned over too (Rev 17:17), and for what "purpose"?

 

[Colt]

I don't know. Apparently, Yeshua fasted 40 days and nights (Mt 4). Actually, according to new data, regular fasting can be good for one's health. But then as today's culture is one of an unhealthy population, what would they know, except to eat cheap over processed foods which call for constant eating to prevent crashing and mental fog. Just saying.

Jesus was gone in the wilderness alone for 40 days. There is much speculation about what he was doing.

 

[101G]

Many kings/emperors/dictators were considered gods, with the Japanese emperor and Julius Caesar being recent and quite prominent. The earlier ones such as Gilgamesh, was considered a giant and a god. Kings known as gods:

List of people who have been considered deities - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

considered gods? listen and Learn, 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens."

101G.

 

[2ndpillar]

considered gods? listen and Learn, 1 Chronicles 16:26 "For all the gods of the people are idols: but the LORD made the heavens."

101G.

Listen, Paul said the gods/idols were not real. (1 Cor 8:4) Yet in the 1st Commandment, God sets them out as real. The LORD may have made the heavens, but he also ruled the angels whose offspring became gods (men of renown) on earth, along with Satan, in the form of the sun god, Bel, Sol Invictus, Apollo, etc., who gave their power to the "beasts" (Rev 13:4). Right now the demon spirits of the "men of renown" are guiding the world toward "Har-Magedon" (Rev 16:13-16). You can take a horse to water, but you cannot make them drink.


New American Standard Bible 1 Cor 8:4
Therefore, concerning the eating of food sacrificed to idols, we know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one.

Rev 16: 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; 14for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.