Elvis sightings

[Pah]

I understand that there have been many sightings of Elvis after he was considered dead. Many of these were recorded in Tabloid newspapers.

May I make an assumption here - that there is very little credence given to the veracity of those who report the sightings.

My question then is why is there so much faith given the "risen" Christ and the book that reports his "rising". Isn't it just another Elvis story in an ancient tabloid newspaper?

 

[Ceridwen018]

Excellent point pah!

Also, in the bible, it says specifically that after Jesus had 'risen' and was then walking around, his disciples didn't even recognize him at first until he told them who he was. In one account 'Jesus' even travelled down the road with a bunch of them for a good chunk of time before they 'wised up'. Hmmm...sounds like it was probably a different person altogether to me...

 

[dan]

One's eyes can fool them; and that is why faith is so important. Faith is to not see and to know, and I can tell you with the same amount of conviction with which you can affirm your own existence that I know that Christ lives. Your five senses can fool you, but the Holy Ghost speaks not to your senses. All your little games and logical if/then tricks only work on people who have no faith, but they do nothing to sway real faith.

 

[Pah]

One's eyes can fool them; and that is why faith is so important. Faith is to not see and to know, and I can tell you with the same amount of conviction with which you can affirm your own existence that I know that Christ lives. Your five senses can fool you, but the Holy Ghost speaks not to your senses. All your little games and logical if/then tricks only work on people who have no faith, but they do nothing to sway real faith.

I'm sorry, Dan. The evidence for the Holy Spirit is in the same "tabloid"

 

[dan]

How do you figure? Is it because I know and you do not? Is it to be a universal awareness in order for it to be believed? Is everything false until it has been explained and proven to your eyes?

Do you have a heart beating inside your chest, pah?

 

[Pah]

How do you figure? Is it because I know and you do not? Is it to be a universal awareness in order for it to be believed? Is everything false until it has been explained and proven to your eyes?

Do you have a heart beating inside your chest, pah?

What distinguishes you from the one or the group that sights Elvis?

By the way, my heart does not beat on it's own. I've got a little computer that delivers a tiny shock from a battery 75 times a minute (more if my body demands it). So I don't know how to really answer your question.

 

[dan]

Have you seen your heart? Personally, I mean.

 

[Pah]

Have you seen your heart? Personally, I mean.

Xrays and electrical mappings


Have you abandoned the Bible "tabloid"?

 

[dan]

So you've never actually seen it. How do you know it exists?

 

[Pah]

So you've never actually seen it. How do you know it exists?

Because I can physically feel it when it it goes into arythmia and I can see the evidence on a sonargram when it does so and I can see the electrical measurements when it does so. The external evidence coincides with the feeling. I can see the shape from two different measuring systems I can listen to it when measured by doppler sound and I lay my head on a pillow. So, Dan, two senses confirm the existence and indirect evidence is available to bolster it.

I think you are leading to an endorsement of the Elvis sightings if you continue much more with your line of reasoning.

 

[Ardhanariswar]

i have faith that my heart exists.

i also have faith that my sanity exists...


*bursts into hysterical laugter* muhahaha

 

[Ceridwen018]

Whether or not Jesus really did rise again is not the main issue here I don't think. The main issue is that there is just as much evidence for it as there are for Elvis sightings.

It is true that our senses can mislead us at times, however, to not follow our senses can be dangerous too. Believing in something which cannot be interpreted by any of the five senses, means that that thing in which we believe has no ties to the physical world, which then makes you wonder how you can even know about it in the first place.

Bottom line is, following our senses may mislead us at times, but following our 'hearts' or our 'deep feelings' does a much better job of throwing us off track by far. If I were to say that I felt 'deep down' that I was Abraham Lincoln, you'd have me committed, yet who is to say that I am wrong?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

i have faith that my heart exists.

i also have faith that my sanity exists...


*bursts into hysterical laugter* muhahaha

This one had me burst into laughter :lol:

 

[Mr Spinkles]

i have faith that my heart exists.

i also have faith that my sanity exists...


*bursts into hysterical laugter* muhahaha

:lol:

 

[dan]

So, you have faith that the feelings you have come from no other source, and that the equipment you utilize is doing what it purports to do?

 

[Pah]

So, you have faith that the feelings you have come from no other source, and that the equipment you utilize is doing what it purports to do?

Drop it Dan. I've already answered your questions.

 

[dan]

You draw a fine line with your definitions but then back out when you can't live up to them? You have faith in all these things, whether you realize it or not. By your own definition you have faith, but you don't want to admit it.

 

[Ceridwen018]

dan,

Of course he has faith, and I think he has admitted it somewhere...but the bottom line is this: There are two types of faith--that which is based on empirical research, and that which is based on nothing.

 

[Sunstone]

Two thousand years ago, some folks told whoppers about Jesus being spotted after his death. Today, some folks tell whoppers about Elvis being spotted after his death.

I wonder what sort of people told those “Jesus sightings” stories 2,000 years ago? Were they the same sort of people as tell the “Elvis sightings” stories today? Usually, when someone has a slew of Elvis stories to tell you, he also has a slew of other “urban legends” to tell.

I had a scoutmaster who liked to tell such stories. He told them back in the day when I was a gullible young kid. I can still remember how exciting it was to hear that the laws of nature had been suspended. To hear him tell his stories made life seem mysterious and intriguing; made anything seem possible.

Yeah, I bet the miracles of the bible began as stories like our urban legends.

 

[Ceridwen018]

Exactly Sunstone,

And why do people revere Jesus for his miracles and not Achilles for his miraculous strength? What's the difference? Someday, once Christianity has run it's course, the bible will be on the same shelf as the Illiad and other mythological writings.