Emergence of Bahai'ism

[TransmutingSoul]

This video contains numerous inaccuracies concerning the Baha'i, numerous to count, and terrible pronunciation.

Thank you, I had not watched it, I am not into the language that use chill religion in the title.

After you post, I did, for as long as I could.

Yes it is not a good video, it does have many innacurate remarks which would be misleading.

Peace be with you and all

 

[Trailblazer]

This video contains numerous inaccuracies concerning the Baha'i, numerous to count, and terrible pronunciation.

Thanks for letting me know. I was aware of the pronunciation but I was not aware of the inaccuracies because I do not know the history that well.

 

[shunyadragon]

celibateThanks for letting me know. I was aware of the pronunciation but I was not aware of the inaccuracies because I do not know the history that well.

He up front stated the Baha'i Faith believes ALL religions are the same, there is no right or wrong, and everyone is right, with a note of sarcasm. Not true, the Baha'i believes in progressive Revelation and a spiritual relationship in the spiritual evolution of humanity.

Added note: Despite the inaccuracies it is sort of OK for a rambling history of the Baha'i Faith.

One inaccuracy is he says, 'no Gays in the Baha'i Faith,' The only spiritual Law is homosexuals must be celibate as believers, but in letters to the believers it emphasized that homosexuals should have full legal rights in the secular world.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes it is not a good video, it does have many innacurate remarks which would be misleading.

For example? I might delete the post, but I want to know what is inaccurate and misleading first.

 

[Trailblazer]

He up front stated the Baha'i Faith believes ALL religions are the same with a note of sarcasm. Not true, the Baha'i believes in progressive Revelation and a spiritual relationship in the spiritual evolution of humanity.

Thanks... I will have to take a look at the video again.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

For example? I might delete the post, but I want to know what is inaccurate and misleading first.

I am at work trailblazer, happy to do that, but it would mean watching that video again and again. In the first minute or so the comments come thick and fast, way to broad a statements and remarks about what was taught by the Bab, that the Bab did not say.

Maybe after work I can have go.

Peace be with you

 

[shunyadragon]

Thanks... I will have to take a look at the video again.

Added note: Despite the inaccuracies it is sort of OK for a rambling history of the Baha'i Faith.

One inaccuracy is he says, 'no Gays in the Baha'i Faith,' The only spiritual Law is homosexuals must be celibate as believers, but in letters to the believers it emphasized that homosexuals should have full legal rights in the secular world.

 

[Trailblazer]

I am at work trailblazer, happy to do that, but it would mean watching that video again and again. In the first minute or so the comments come thick and fast, way to broad a statements and remarks about what was taught by the Bab, that the Bab did not say.

Maybe after work I can have go.

Peace be with you

No hurry... I am going to watch it again myself, now that I have an idea what to be looking for....
I have to get caught up on posts before I watch it again. That might be a while.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I do not know the answers to all those questions but below is a video that explains the history of the Baha’i Faith in a nutshell. It is only about 11 minutes long and moves pretty fast but it is worth viewing to get an overall view of the history.

I would give this video about a 7 or 8 out of 10 keeping in mind its made people who are not Baha'is and probably haven't consulted with Baha'is.

The biggest mistakes are in the introduction where it talks about the Baha'is believing there is no right or wrong worship etc and the comment about gays.

On the other hands its not too bad a presentation.

I personally wouldn't use it, but have no problem with you using it. Then again, I'm a chilled Baha'i following a chilled religion lol.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I would give this video about a 7 or 8 out of 10 keeping in mind its made people who are not Baha'is and probably haven't consulted with Baha'is.

Well knowing it was not a Baha'i, that helps . A lot higher marks now awarded .

This Internet craze for pulling in an audience is amazing! I am a geek with this, there must be money to be made, or something anyway?

All in all, the emergence of Baha'i would result.

Peace be with you.

 

[Trailblazer]

He up front stated the Baha'i Faith believes ALL religions are the same, there is no right or wrong, and everyone is right, with a note of sarcasm. Not true, the Baha'i believes in progressive Revelation and a spiritual relationship in the spiritual evolution of humanity.

Added note: Despite the inaccuracies it is sort of OK for a rambling history of the Baha'i Faith.

One inaccuracy is he says, 'no Gays in the Baha'i Faith,' The only spiritual Law is homosexuals must be celibate as believers, but in letters to the believers it emphasized that homosexuals should have full legal rights in the secular world.

Some of these might be a matter of perspective... I mean every religion was the "right religion" for its own age, and all religions have the same spiritual verities which are eternal, as Abdu'l-Baha pointed out...He was just trying to condense so much that he could not elaborate on what he meant by "the same."

As far as homosexuals are concerned, I forgot what he said, but the "practice" of homosexuality is against Bahai Law... To tell homosexuals they have to be celibate is as much as saying they cannot be a Bahai without being celibate or they are breaking a Bahai Law, which could result in their voting rights taken away if they are open about it. I know what we say about their rights in the secular world but I do not think Baha'is should sweep it under the carpet what we are asking homosexuals to do if they are going to be a Baha'i... They cannot even marry and have sex.

All I really intended it to be was a brief overview of the history. I do not know any brief Bahai histories I could post. Many Bahai made videos drag on and on, and people don't have time to watch them and they get bored... At least this video was a bit perky and it moved fast enough to keep the interest.

I do not see anything wrong with calling Bahai "the chill religion." Personally, I think it is about time the Baha'is became a bit less stodgy. This is after all the new age and Baha'i is the religion for the new age.

 

[Trailblazer]

Added note: Despite the inaccuracies it is sort of OK for a rambling history of the Baha'i Faith.

One inaccuracy is he says, 'no Gays in the Baha'i Faith,' The only spiritual Law is homosexuals must be celibate as believers, but in letters to the believers it emphasized that homosexuals should have full legal rights in the secular world.

See my previous post.

 

[Trailblazer]

I would give this video about a 7 or 8 out of 10 keeping in mind its made people who are not Baha'is and probably haven't consulted with Baha'is.

The biggest mistakes are in the introduction where it talks about the Baha'is believing there is no right or wrong worship etc and the comment about gays.

On the other hands its not too bad a presentation.

I personally wouldn't use it, but have no problem with you using it. Then again, I'm a chilled Baha'i following a chilled religion lol.

Thanks for the feedback... You are right, those are the two biggest issues I remember it had.
I kind of liked the chill religion part.

Ironically, I got the video off another forum I post on where an atheist had posted it. I was shocked when he posted it because he is very much against God using Messengers and drones on and on about how God failed to communicate because Baha'ullah only garnered .1% of the population. He thinks that if a "real God" were behind it everyone in the world would be a Bahai by now... It is such a miserable failure!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Some of these might be a matter of perspective... I mean every religion was the "right religion" for its own age, and all religions have the same spiritual verities which are eternal, as Abdu'l-Baha pointed out...He was just trying to condense so much that he could not elaborate on what he meant by "the same."

As far as homosexuals are concerned, I forgot what he said, but the "practice" of homosexuality is against Bahai Law... To tell homosexuals they have to be celibate is as much as saying they cannot be a Bahai without being celibate or they are breaking a Bahai Law, which could result in their voting rights taken away if they are open about it. I know what we say about their rights in the secular world but I do not think Baha'is should sweep it under the carpet what we are asking homosexuals to do if they are going to be a Baha'i... They cannot even marry and have sex.

All I really intended it to be was a brief overview of the history. I do not know any brief Bahai histories I could post. Many Bahai made videos drag on and on, and people don't have time to watch them and they get bored... At least this video was a bit perky and it moved fast enough to keep the interest.

I do not see anything wrong with calling Bahai "the chill religion." Personally, I think it is about time the Baha'is became a bit less stodgy. This is after all the new age and Baha'i is the religion for the new age.

It was an alright video. I tried looking up more on youtube but al the other videos seem to be 'out of my service area' so...

 

[siti]

I think it is about time the Baha'is became a bit less stodgy.

What?!! Next you'll be advocating using non-19th century English and cutting out all the flowery bits from translations of Baha'u'llah's writings. They did that with the Bible and now everybody thinks they know what it says without ever bothering to read it. And then what? The Baha'u'llah rap - or worse yet - the Abdu'l Baha app - or a Shogi Effendi facebook page?

Less stodgy indeed! If the Baha'i faith has anything going for it at all, its that it has good old-fashioned stodge - like a bowl of lamb casserole with suet dumplings - it seems at first glance to be just the ticket for those cold, long winter nights when there's nothing decent on telly - but by the time its cool enough to contemplate taking a spoonful or two, you can already see the fat congealing on the surface!

For the record, I thought the video was dreadful - but I'm guessing I'm not in their target demographic.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

*Cough* I have to mention this for some silly reason.

The gay comment is actually accurate in many abrahamic religions in regards to action and person separation. In the "secular world" outside abrahamics, a lot of straight or gay dont separate who we love, how, our self as a person, and ourselves in relation to the person we love. The union or marriage between souls is beyond what sex or gender one is attracted to (thats a default); its so much more than just sex.

But all abrahamic religions sees marriage by ones sex; so, the comment about gays is pretty accurate. Unfornately, he just said it sarcastically but when you think of it logically, what abrahamics are doing is: welcoming gays (gay individuals) into their "home", tell them they have to be celibate to live a religious life in their faith, and ignoring the fact they dont separate the heart from sex and that god sees them beyond what ethics and doctrines they receive by countless religions.

Cant have both ways: universal with strings attached.

But I wouldnt have mentioned it like that in the video. I tried to find other videos but they werent in english or I didnt have the right video format.

The video was fine (@Trailblazer) interesting but not bad at all.

 

[Trailblazer]

It was an alright video. I tried looking up more on youtube but al the other videos seem to be 'out of my service area' so...

I have a lot more Baha'i videos in various subjects in case you are interested. I save them all in Word documents so they are easy to find, at least they used to be... I have so many now I should do some housecleaning.

 

[Trailblazer]

For the record, I thought the video was dreadful - but I'm guessing I'm not in their target demographic.

Hmmmmm.... I am not sure there was anyone being targeted since that was not made by one of "the Baha'is..."
I thought it was kind of cool because I like fast moving videos rather than the long ones that drone on and on....

 

[siti]

Hmmmmm.... I am not sure there was anyone being targeted since that was not made by one of "the Baha'is..."
I thought it was kind of cool because I like fast moving videos rather than the long ones that drone on and on....

I just meant they were probably aiming at a younger audience.

 

[Trailblazer]

I just meant they were probably aiming at a younger audience.

That makes sense... No wonder I liked it.... I am not young but I am young at heart.
Oh, you's not young? No wonder you are so wise...