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Employment Guarantee

dust1n

Zindīq
"Of the array of non-reformist reforms Sanders could adopt as key planks, the one that probably makes the most sense is a job guarantee, whose historical advocates have ranged from Thomas Paine to Martin Luther King. Under this program, the federal government would act as the "employer of last resort"; it could hire the unemployed for its own national projects, funnel money to states and municipalities or let communities design their own projects and apply for funding.

Guaranteeing public sector employment to anyone who wants to sign up would accomplish a lot of the goals Sanders trumpets. It would reduce inequality by eliminating unemployment and its resultant poverty. It would magnify worker power by providing an exit from the job market, thereby setting minimum standards for all sorts for private sector employment. It would eliminate employment discrimination, long a central pillar of structural racism, erasing the chief cause of recidivism. It would allow communities that currently rely on prisons to close them without toppling the local economy, thereby enabling the type of mass decarceration Sanders would do well to advocate forcefully, the better to make up for his recent blunder at Netroots Nation. It would promote ecological sustainability by making full employment independent of the resource extraction sector, by paying for low-emissions employment like elder- and childcare and by providing resources for pollution-reducing infrastructure renovation. It would guarantee dignified pay and conditions for so-called "unskilled" labor typically performed by women: domestic work, childcare and nursing. It would end reliance on increasingly expensive higher education as a prerequisite for employment. It would practically establish a public option for health care, since those availing themselves of the program would receive normal benefits for a federal employee.

All these virtues, and the program would be fiscally sound on its own. It would grow the deficit permanently – an outcome Sanders has repeatedly, to his disgrace, maintained is undesirable – but never so far that inflation, the sole danger of too big a deficit, ensues: When the business cycle is down, the program would grow to bring us up to capacity, and when a boom threatens to inflate the economy, the program would automatically shrink. As long as the job guarantee wages are not competitive with the private sector, they should serve to anchor the general price level.

Nor is this some bizarre, far-fetched idea that would hike Sanders' already uncomfortably high degree of Seeming Kooky: even without inclusion on the agenda of any mainstream political actors, a job guarantee already polls at 47 percent.

Ironically, no one touts the merits of guaranteed public employment more vigorously than modern monetary theorists like Stephanie Kelton, the chief economist for the Democratic staff on the Sanders-chaired Senate Budget Committee. I took his hiring Kelton as a signal that Sanders was preparing to run for president on a job guarantee. So far, he has given no such indication, but there remain many excruciating months until the primaries; Sanders has plenty of time to earn more fully the label he says he's not afraid of.

Why Doesn't Bernie Sanders Run on a Truly Socialist Platform? | Rolling Stone

Whatdaya think? Maintain close to 0% unemployment when the markets fail to provide enough jobs?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I agree with Sanders on this, although there needs to be flexibility in a system like that.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It would be preferable to handle this at the local level but with both state and federal involvement, including financially.

Some here may remember something called "workfare", which actually was tried here in a couple of counties in da U.P. The idea is, if one cannot find a job, the county would hire them at roughly minimum wage and put them to work on various items that are needed, such as cleanup and repairs. What stopped this experiment was mainly two items, one being $ and the other being protests that this was taking jobs away from some in the private sector.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Forced labor?
No choice in job....locate to wherever called?

No unemployment insurance...work or die.

sounds like some places I've heard about.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Forced labor?
No choice in job....locate to wherever called?

No unemployment insurance...work or die.

sounds like some places I've heard about.
Pretty much what I was thinking. I wonder where people ever got the idea that folks are entitled to jobs?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I heard from a guy that has been there.....he was visiting his bride to be....

He stopped to hand a beggar something and she told him....no!
seems there is a taboo about touching the 'untouchables'.

Another occasion I heard of....
you could work in construction for a year(hoping for retainer)...no check at all....
and then if the foreman decides to let you go.....you're gone.

yeah.....I speak of China.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Forced labor?

So, you'd rather pay for those who could work but won't and who freeload the system?

No choice in job....locate to wherever called?

Not true, and the system here didn't operate that way, much preferring to get the unemployed back into the private sector.

No unemployment insurance...work or die.

U.I. can be used temporarily as placement may not be that immediate, plus the person may find another job sooner v later.

sounds like some places I've heard about.

I think you've added things to this that aren't really implicit in what I would like to see or what Sanders would most likely want to see.

Either way you're gonna pay, so do you want to pay someone to do work that's needed or to pay someone to sit home on their rump waiting for their check to come in?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The problem I'd worry about is the government is not very good at business. I think this is mostly because they have no bottom line to worry about. When the government does a job it is usually done inefficiently.

For example in California, we have this high speed railroad project. It's going to probably cost over a hundred billion if it ever gets finished.

"California is our Greece, the most fiscally irresponsible of U.S. states"

The Bullet Train Fiasco Reminds Us That California Is Our Greece - Forbes
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The problem I'd worry about is the government is not very good at business. I think this is mostly because they have no bottom line to worry about. When the government does a job it is usually done inefficiently.

That can be true, but it certainly is not necessarily true. For example, Medicare operates much more efficiently than private insurance companies (6-% v 29%). TVA was built quite efficiently, as were many other projects during the depression.

Again, the point remains, namely do we just pay people to sit on their duff waiting for their checks or do we pay them to work on projects that help the community, the state, and/or the country? Either way, we're gonna pay.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
The Works Progress Administration (renamed in 1939 as theWork Projects Administration; WPA) was the largest and most ambitious American New Deal agency, employing millions of unemployed people (mostly unskilled men) to carry outpublic works projects,[1] including the construction of public buildings and roads. In a much smaller but more famous project, the Federal Project Number One, the WPA employed musicians, artists, writers, actors and directors in large arts, drama, media, and literacy projects.[1]

Works Progress Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It worked as one of F.D.R.'s New Deals. Put millions back to work till
the economy improved from the Great Depression.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
That can be true, but it certainly is not necessarily true. For example, Medicare operates much more efficiently than private insurance companies (6-% v 29%). TVA was built quite efficiently, as were many other projects during the depression.

Again, the point remains, namely do we just pay people to sit on their duff waiting for their checks or do we pay them to work on projects that help the community, the state, and/or the country? Either way, we're gonna pay.
Then again, Metis, there is the nuanced reporting of the jobless rate itself that simply does not include all the people without jobs. So, you put to work the reported people and are still stuck with those who are outside the system.. then add to that the illegal immigrants and the whole thing becomes a colossal mess.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
That can be true, but it certainly is not necessarily true. For example, Medicare operates much more efficiently than private insurance companies (6-% v 29%). TVA was built quite efficiently, as were many other projects during the depression.

Again, the point remains, namely do we just pay people to sit on their duff waiting for their checks or do we pay them to work on projects that help the community, the state, and/or the country? Either way, we're gonna pay.

The difference between us and Greece I suppose is that we can always print more money.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Pretty much what I was thinking. I wonder where people ever got the idea that folks are entitled to jobs?

I don't think people are entitled to jobs. I think it's just utterly stupid to hire contractors whose inefficiency has been demonstrated in many fields, to let education and infrastructure rot in the country, and to allow so many people to be unemployed considering all the terrible things that comes with that, for no particular aim or goal, unless the goal happens to maintaining a hugely inflated defense budget.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Then again, Metis, there is the nuanced reporting of the jobless rate itself that simply does not include all the people without jobs. So, you put to work the reported people and are still stuck with those who are outside the system.. then add to that the illegal immigrants and the whole thing becomes a colossal mess.
The official unemployment numbers traditionally can only be used for comparison purposes, so that's really another issue as is the issue of illegal immigration. These are separate topics that can be and have been discussed ad nauseum. "Messes" can be fixed, or at least ameliorated.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It worked as one of F.D.R.'s New Deals. Put millions back to work till
the economy improved from the Great Depression.

And that's so important and in different ways. The atmosphere during the depression was tragic and absolutely scary, including to those that still had jobs. Things were so bad that many here were considering an overthrow of the government, and even the NAZI's were fairly popular here in the early to mid-1930's.

Without a safety net, people panic.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Because everyone should share an equal obligation to work, everyone should have a right to a job. The unskilled, those with various mental and physical disabilities, and those down on their luck could really benefit if the government worked harder to place workers and match them to jobs based on their skills, which would benefit society as a whole. It would be even better, and work far greater, if private employers cooperated in such a program and actively employed people enrolled in this program.
Forced labor?
No choice in job....locate to wherever called?

No unemployment insurance...work or die.

sounds like some places I've heard about.
As FDR put it, anyone who wants a job and is willing to work has a right to a job. It isn't forced labor, but job opportunities that are given to those who are struggling.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Ya, but there's always a down side to that as well-- but sometimes it needs to be done.

The problem is that money is not a real resource. Wealth is really a matter of acquiring resources. Government jobs provide limited benefits in building infrastructure which supports the quicker accumulation of resources. Otherwise it becomes a drain on the economy.

You can increase minimum wage, you can provide government jobs. Unless there is an increase of resources there is no increase in wealth.

We have to produce stuff. Food, housing, consumer goods. If you get paid more and don't produce more, there's no real increase in wealth.

Unskilled labor is very limited in the amount of wealth which can be added to the economy. We have to do something, but we have to make sure that the actions we take is adding to real wealth, not taking from it.

Governments can print more money but they aren't usually in the business of producing wealth. Government farms, government factories? That's not something I'd expect to find in the US.
 
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