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End of the world
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Muffled
Jesus in me
Sura 71:17 "And Allah has produced you from the earth growing gradually, 8 "And in the End He will return you into the earth, and raise you forth again at the Resurrection?
Sura 81:11 When the world on High is unveiled;
12 When the Blazing Fire is kindled to fierce heat;
13 And when the Garden is brought near;
14 Then shall each soul know what it has put forward.
15 So verily I call to witness the planetsthat recede,
There is more in the preceding verses of 81. The concept of being rewarded with virgins is also post apocalyptical but I don't remember the Sura. Even Christians get mixed up between references to Heaven and the physical Kingdom of God on earth.
tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
The concept of being rewarded with virgins is a very strongly wrong inference from some verses of the Quran. I mean what about the women? What are they going to do with other virgin women?
These interpretations simply prove the complete lack of understanding of the modern-day mainstream scholars of the Quran (and also gives an insight about the mode in which their minds really operate).
Now, as far as the end of the world is concerned, unfortunately, I do not have any knowledge with regards to prophecies about it in the Quran. But I will say one thing.
Once, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked when the Day of Judgement will come. He replied "Why do you ask? Have you prepared for it?"
These interpretations simply prove the complete lack of understanding of the modern-day mainstream scholars of the Quran (and also gives an insight about the mode in which their minds really operate).
Now, as far as the end of the world is concerned, unfortunately, I do not have any knowledge with regards to prophecies about it in the Quran. But I will say one thing.
Once, Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked when the Day of Judgement will come. He replied "Why do you ask? Have you prepared for it?"
Muffled
Jesus in me
That quote of Mohammed must come from the Hadith so it doesn't have the authenticity of the Qu'ran but it sounds like something a man of God would say.
How can you downplay this? When Muslims want to put me through a litmus test to see if I am a believer they always ask if I believe in the Day of Judgement.
Sometimes westerners think of Islam as having a tightly controlled orthodoxy but in truth much depends upon the Imam who is perceived to be the governing authority. What I do find is that there are Muslims who will not discuss theology without first referring to the Imam to see what he teaches. Even in Christianity you find that adherents of Roman Catholicism would not be comfortable talking about theology without consuting a priest to find out what church doctrine says. It is Protestantism that has developed independant thinking. Of course the downside to that is that many people develop erroneous ideas. The up-side is that people who develop understanding through independant thinking internalize those truths better and are less easily shaken by the lies of the Devil.
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tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
Your reply was a thoughtful one.
It is true that I, too, look towards an Imam before I make my conclusions. And in the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community we all do so. But there is two differences:
1. Unlike the Imams of the rest of the world the Imam (or Khalifa) I look towards is, I believe, under the direct guidance of God.
2. There are also scholars who I look towards about whom I have no gaurantee that they are guided by God. This is the case with priests too. People forget that no matter how much you study the Quran or Bible and no matter how many degrees you have it does not make you a better man. The Quran says in its very start that "This is the book in which there are no errors is a guidance for the God fearing." So it is not the amount you study but rather the honesty with which you study. And only God knows how honest so and so scholar/priest/clergyman is.
Therefore, I do look towards scholars for assistance in answering questions but I ask them how they came to their conclusions and I feel free to disagree/agree with them depending on their answer.
It is true that I, too, look towards an Imam before I make my conclusions. And in the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community we all do so. But there is two differences:
1. Unlike the Imams of the rest of the world the Imam (or Khalifa) I look towards is, I believe, under the direct guidance of God.
2. There are also scholars who I look towards about whom I have no gaurantee that they are guided by God. This is the case with priests too. People forget that no matter how much you study the Quran or Bible and no matter how many degrees you have it does not make you a better man. The Quran says in its very start that "This is the book in which there are no errors is a guidance for the God fearing." So it is not the amount you study but rather the honesty with which you study. And only God knows how honest so and so scholar/priest/clergyman is.
Therefore, I do look towards scholars for assistance in answering questions but I ask them how they came to their conclusions and I feel free to disagree/agree with them depending on their answer.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I appreciate honest men. See what you can find out about "the planets recede." It is reminiscent of apassage in REvelations that says the stars will flee.
In my estimation there are two ways this could happen. 1. if the whole universe was leaving us behind 2. Our planet was the only one moving.
On the other hand it could be the New Jerusalem which moves and the stars appear to be whizzing away. It may be that we never go back to earth again because it is completely destroyed and eventually land on a new planet that is less unfriendly.
tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
Okay there are a couple of things I wish to clarify here.
There is "The End of the World" and there is "The End of Human Civilizations as We Know It". I believe there have been many Adams and Eves in this world and that we occupy a cycle of these Adams and Eves. The world might not end after us. There might very well be other beings/humans who form their own civilizations and live after our race has completed its cycle. Those humans might have their own religions and their own teachings and whatever.
The "End of the World" is when the world will be destroyed. Please let me know which one you are referring to.
There is "The End of the World" and there is "The End of Human Civilizations as We Know It". I believe there have been many Adams and Eves in this world and that we occupy a cycle of these Adams and Eves. The world might not end after us. There might very well be other beings/humans who form their own civilizations and live after our race has completed its cycle. Those humans might have their own religions and their own teachings and whatever.
The "End of the World" is when the world will be destroyed. Please let me know which one you are referring to.
Heneni
Miss Independent
Excellent observation! Frubals.
tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
Thank you. But which question wants to be answered here?
Heneni
Miss Independent
Well...perhaps both. Why dont you start with the end of the world maybe?
tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
See my third post. Wait a while and I might still go for it.There are two theories circulating about the end of the world. One is that the universe will keep expanding and expanding so much so that it just slowly disappears. The other is that the universe will keep expanding until a time come when it stops and the mass of the universe starts collapsing on its own.The Quran seems to support the latter viewpoint.
Just give me some more time, okay? I am already crunched on time on this other thread I myself created about Arabic. The research has turned out to take longer than expected and now I have to deal with people's jokes about me being a death row or something.
Just give me some more time, okay? I am already crunched on time on this other thread I myself created about Arabic. The research has turned out to take longer than expected and now I have to deal with people's jokes about me being a death row or something.
maro
muslimah
Muffled said:
The concept of being rewarded with virgins is neither in the quran nor an inference from the quran.., it comes from a hadith with weak authenticity "da3if "..althought i can totllay understand why an ignorant wouldn't miss the chance to relate such a thing to the quran..and why another ignorant wouldn't miss the chance to ridicule the mainstream scholars..the heretics who don't belive in his Mirza..
maro
muslimah
First what does a man of God mean?..Muhhamad (pbuh) was a prophet and messenger..and the quran clearly states that he never speaks of his own desire..but with a revealation...both the quran and the authentic Hadith are revealations..the difference is that the quran is the litteral words of Allah..while the hadith is the words of prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
The word " imam " refer to two things..The ruler..or someone who leads the salat...i guess what you mean here is the Scholar not the imam...The scholars of islam are no more than normal muslims who spent their whole lives studying islam and its rulings...the authority they have is the authority of knowledge...
again , i guess you mean the scholars.....and what do you mean by : discuss theology ?...if you mean the pillars of faith..then any average muslim is perfectly aware of them..otherwise ,he want be a muslim..
if you mean some complicated sciences like the science of Hadith and fiqh..so yes...not every ignorant is allowed to enlighten us with his opinion without refering to what the scholars of the science have to say...
And who told you islam forbids independant thinking ?...as a matter of fact , blind imitating of the ancestors is considered by the quran the biggest sin that caused many nations to go astray...
however , independant thinking dosen't mean that any ignorant who have no tiny knowledge about the arabic language , the reasons of the revealation , al hadith..opens the quran and start interpreting..
maro
muslimah
Really ? can you please mention the verse where the quran supports the latter pov ?
agonistic said:
The judgment day is the end of human life on this planet..we don't know when will it happen..
Muffled
Jesus in me
According to Jesus the complete destruction of the world will not be known by man only by God. The inference is that we will not be on or near earth to know it and that includes Jesus who exists in time and place.
However the earth could become a fireball or at least crispy crittered which might leave it uninhabitable for thousands of years. In the meantime the raptured will have to find a place to live. Traveling to a new planet could give the impression of stars receding like scenery out the rear window of a car.
(Mt 24:14) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
But what clue does jesus give us? (Mt 24:32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:
(Mt 24:33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.
The fig tree being Israel, came into leaf in 1948, how close do you think we are?
Many other clues are as such, God does everything on ceremonial days.
(Eccl 8:6) Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man [is] great upon him.
In effect, if we were scholars and we did a diligent search, then we can know when the end will come. We must understand that the seals of Daniel hold the mystery, the ones in the book of Revelations, and now they are to be understood to discover the time of the
end of the world. But who but a faithful teacher can teach us?
But what clue does jesus give us? (Mt 24:32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh:
(Mt 24:33) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors.
The fig tree being Israel, came into leaf in 1948, how close do you think we are?
Many other clues are as such, God does everything on ceremonial days.
(Eccl 8:6) Because to every purpose there is time and judgment, therefore the misery of man [is] great upon him.
In effect, if we were scholars and we did a diligent search, then we can know when the end will come. We must understand that the seals of Daniel hold the mystery, the ones in the book of Revelations, and now they are to be understood to discover the time of the
end of the world. But who but a faithful teacher can teach us?
tariqkhwaja
Jihad Against Terrorism
Whatever Zakhir said. That was the verse I was pointing to Maro.
Seems to me that you missed a verse here or there.
(Isa 34:3) Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
(Isa 34:4) And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree.