Ends in 50 Years

[Little Dragon]

I don’t think you have the power to save us or yourself mate. Far rather put my faith in God. Each to his own though.

I certainly wont be helping anyone or myself by appealing to a non existent sky fairy. You can do what you like, I will be looking for solutions. Mate.

 

[Quintessence]

I certainly wont be helping anyone or myself by appealing to a non existent sky fairy. You can do what you like, I will be looking for solutions. Mate.

With responses like this, I'm becoming skeptical you understand what god(s) is/are. Either that or you're being purposefully demeaning and patronizing towards theists, which is also not okay.

 

[Little Dragon]

I’d say whether you or I asked to be created is irrelevant if an all-powerful Being decided to create us. I’m not sure where you come up with the ideas that God wants groveling, begging, etc., but I think you’re mistaken. But if God is Love, as the scriptures say, and this Being provides everything needed for life, including each breath we take… a little gratitude may be in order, don’t you think?

If I am born on this Earth, because your God willed it, it would be without any consent or request from me. So I owe it nothing. I would have been given life, unasked for. Your God appears to demand all sorts of attention from its creations. Loyalty, respect, adoration, subservience, supplication, obedience and other things that are very unnatural to me anyway, which I am sorry to say I certainly cannot offer a God, especially one such as the God of the Christians, a particularly sadistic and evil deity, in my view. I have no gratitude because I owe nothing. I don't actually believe a God exists or created me or anything else. I believe in naturalistic explanations for the universe. Not deities.

As for the passage you posted. I honestly do not know what the message behind it is. I am not familiar with bible verse and passages, I am not accustomed to divining the theology and intended meaning behind the prose. I was not raised in a religious environment. I was raised in a house, in which my father expressly forbade all religious and spiritual teachings and doctrines. He was a secularist and atheist and a dedicated physicist. I learned about these things later, myself, although of course from a neutral anthropological perspective.

 

[Little Dragon]

With responses like this, I'm becoming skeptical you understand what god(s) is/are. Either that or you're being purposefully demeaning and patronizing towards theists, which is also not okay.

I find comments like the one I responded to which you are commenting on, demeaning also. You are welcome to your assumptions, that is OK with me. I do not care about assumptions.

 

[Little Dragon]

I'm becoming skeptical you understand what god(s) is/are

What do you think they are exactly? Perhaps you could educate me?

 

[Bthoth]

And there were some standing there who did see Jesus/the Son of Man in His kingdom…

Every male is a 'son of man' Ezekiel wrote 'son of man' in just about every chapter. Not a once mentioning Jesus
Funny part is, many claim that jesus had no man as a father (son of man).

And jesus never had a kingdom.

 

[Quintessence]

What do you think they are exactly? Perhaps you could educate me?

That's a tall order considering the diversity of god-concepts throughout history and the world. Gods have been anything from our own human ancestors to various aspects/forces of nature and the universe to abstract beings that transcend the limitations of human knowledge entirely. Investigate enough on your own with the help of a local public library and you'll become acquainted enough with the theological diversity of human cultures but it is a long road and takes a lot of time to study. In my own studies over the years, I haven't come across gods that are like what you described. What I have seen is that language used by anti-theists and others who believe all theism is rubbish and want to talk smack about it. If you weren't aware of the pejorative nature of the language you used and that was an honest mistake, beg your pardon.

 

[Little Dragon]

What I have seen is that language used by anti-theists and others who believe all theism is rubbish and want to talk smack about it. If you weren't aware of the pejorative nature of the language you used and that was an honest mistake, beg your pardon.

Dissent is often objectionable.

 

[Little Dragon]

That's a tall order considering the diversity of god-concepts throughout history and the world.

Mostly or in general, Gods are described as supernatural controlling entities. So I am told.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I certainly wont be helping anyone or myself by appealing to a non existent sky fairy. You can do what you like, I will be looking for solutions. Mate.

Let us know when you find some

 

[Little Dragon]

Investigate enough on your own with the help of a local public library and you'll become acquainted enough with the theological diversity of human cultures but it is a long road and takes a lot of time to study. In my own studies over the years

That is commendable, but I have not the time nor inclination to study comparative theology. However I take an active interest in the consequences of religion if not the Gods and theology involved.

 

[Little Dragon]

Let us know when you find them

Let us know what the threat is first...

 

[RestlessSoul]

Let us know what the threat is first...

See thread title

 

[Audie]

I find comments like the one I responded to which you are commenting on, demeaning also. You are welcome to your assumptions, that is OK with me. I do not care about assumptions.

You find it belittling to be told by someone who
claims arcane knowledge you jus dont
undrrstand, and / or that you're a fool
for not buying into their chosen god- belief?

It's try at belittling though it falls short.

None of them can convince me that the
Creator of the Universe is incensed that
I don't cover my hair.
Or any other story.

 

[InChrist]

If I am born on this Earth, because your God willed it, it would be without any consent or request from me. So I owe it nothing. I would have been given life, unasked for. Your God appears to demand all sorts of attention from its creations. Loyalty, respect, adoration, subservience, supplication, obedience and other things that are very unnatural to me anyway, which I am sorry to say I certainly cannot offer a God, especially one such as the God of the Christians, a particularly sadistic and evil deity, in my view. I have no gratitude because I owe nothing. I don't actually believe a God exists or created me or anything else. I believe in naturalistic explanations for the universe. Not deities.

As for the passage you posted. I honestly do not know what the message behind it is. I am not familiar with bible verse and passages, I am not accustomed to divining the theology and intended meaning behind the prose. I was not raised in a religious environment. I was raised in a house, in which my father expressly forbade all religious and spiritual teachings and doctrines. He was a secularist and atheist and a dedicated physicist. I learned about these things later, myself, although of course from a neutral anthropological perspective.

Okay, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’m just wondering, though, if an all powerful Being created and gave you life… what makes you think you are autonomous or that your consent was required?


The scripture I posted previously means that at some point everyone will realize and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is LORD, either willingly or unwillingly.

 

[InChrist]

You find it belittling to be told by someone who
claims arcane knowledge you jus dont
undrrstand, and / or that you're a fool
for not buying into their chosen god- belief?

It's try at belittling though it falls short.

None of them can convince me that the
Creator of the Universe is incensed that
I don't cover my hair.
Or any other story.

And no one could convince me that the Creator of the Universe needed me to wear special underwear so I wouldn’t have an accident, get injured, or die prematurely. Or a dress a couple inches too short was a sin. Nor could I believe God would have regulations on drinking tea, coffee, or an occasional glass of wine.
Nevertheless, thankfully I came to know the Living God. Religion trivializes God and places unnecessarily, worthless burdens, which the Creator gives life with real freedom.

 

[InChrist]

Every male is a 'son of man' Ezekiel wrote 'son of man' in just about every chapter. Not a once mentioning Jesus
Funny part is, many claim that jesus had no man as a father (son of man).

And jesus never had a kingdom.

Sure, every male is a son of man, like Ezekiel, but Jesus Christ alone is the “Son of Man”. This title was specifically used in reference to Jesus 82 times the NT to highlight His humanity in contrast to His title Son of God, which highlights His Deity. Both these titles reveal that Jesus is fully human/fully God; the one and only unique such Being, in existence, in all the universe.
Therefore, the only One who can save anyone and bring reconciliation between humanity and God.

What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man? | GotQuestions.org

What does it mean that Jesus is the Son of Man? Is “Son of Man” a Messianic title or does it mean that Jesus was truly a human being, or both?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Audie]

And no one could convince me that the Creator of the Universe needed me to wear special underwear so I wouldn’t have an accident, get injured, or die prematurely. Or a dress a couple inches too short was a sin. Nor could I believe God would have regulations on drinking tea, coffee, or an occasional glass of wine.
Nevertheless, thankfully I came to know the Living God. Religion trivializes God and places unnecessarily, worthless burdens, which the Creator gives life with real freedom.

Everyone has his own version of the one
and only.

Which I see as worship of self.

 

[InChrist]

Everyone has his own version of the one
and only.

Which I see as worship of self.

Interesting, I see non-worship of the Creator, as worship of self.

 

[Bthoth]

Sure, every male is a son of man, like Ezekiel, but Jesus Christ alone is the “Son of Man”.

Oooops....""

Ezekiel 2

Young's Literal Translation

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2 It [is] the appearance of the likeness of the honour of Jehovah, and I see, and fall on my face, and I hear a voice speaking, and He saith unto me, `Son of man, stand on thy feet, and I speak with thee.'


Maybe you forgot what god saith'ith?

This title was specifically used in reference to Jesus 82 times the NT to highlight His humanity in contrast to His title Son of God, which highlights His Deity.

Sure the NT has many additions and changes.......... ""Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."

Both these titles reveal that Jesus is fully human/fully God; the one and only unique such Being, in existence, in all the universe.

And yet, he could not leave enough material information to cure cancer or end the abuse of the commandment "thou shalt not lie"

Therefore, the only One who can save anyone and bring reconciliation between humanity and God.

And that was never Jesus. Hint: the book of revelation is still open to be fulfilled

and the only way to suggest jesus was that guy, is to claim that he is coming back (to finish the job)