Engineering out sin

[sojourner]

theologically, sin is about more than our acts and desires. Sin is a sitz im leben. How you gonna create a pill to deal with that? That ability is a big part of what makes us human.

 

[Pegg]

It's the only way humans can live forever. Or do you have another option? And don't say just not sinning, coz that hasn't happened for 200,000yrs. Regardless of whatever fantasy you believe about the amount of time. Even in your fantasy not sinning has not happened.

humans were created to live forever WITH freewill.

So we dont need to eliminate free will to eliminate sin.

 

[Kathryn]

Consider the following premise: Future advances in our understanding of the brain lead to discoveries that allow us to essentially "switch off" undesireable emotions or desires...i.e. the desire to kill, steal, do drugs, etc. Furthermore, this process is 100% medically safe and 100% guaranteed to work. Assume that this process would involve some sort of "reconditioning" of the human mind, perhaps involving implants or maybe through pills. The end result is the human mind is fundamentally altered (evolved?) to remove the bad stuff.

If such a technological advancement was ever possible, would the religious community in general support it?

My opinion is that they would never support such a process. I have to believe that any technological advance that involves changing ourselves would not be seen as desirable by the religious community because we are messing around with "God's work". Maybe at a deeper level, sin is just too good for business?

Thoughts?

I just read an interesting article about this exact thing the other day:

Magazine - The Perfected Self - The Atlantic

 

[sojourner]

humans were created to live forever WITH freewill.

So we dont need to eliminate free will to eliminate sin.

Were we? If the absence of sin is complete union with God (the biggest reason why Jesus is God -- Jesus is without sin), then complete union with God indicates also a complete union of will. In what way does that connote "free will," as in a will that is completely particular to oneself?

 

[beerisit]

humans were created to live forever WITH freewill.

So we dont need to eliminate free will to eliminate sin.

I'm glad that you have a plan that's better than your god's plan.

 

[Turing]

The notion to kill, steal, etc. is no longer needed for our species to survive, why wouldn't removing those desires be viewed as a good thing? How does it remove your free will? If we all can agree that murdering people is a BAD thing, then eradicating the desire to kill can only be good, right?

Why couldn't the religious community look at it from their perspective as getting closer to God, Regardless of the methods or science used to achieve it?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The notion to kill, steal, etc. is no longer needed for our species to survive, why wouldn't removing those desires be viewed as a good thing? How does it remove your free will? If we all can agree that murdering people is a BAD thing, then eradicating the desire to kill can only be good, right?

Why couldn't the religious community look at it from their perspective as getting closer to God, Regardless of the methods or science used to achieve it?

How would we eat if that desire was eliminated?

 

[sojourner]

Why couldn't the religious community look at it from their perspective as getting closer to God, Regardless of the methods or science used to achieve it?

How does that get us closer to God?

 

[Pegg]

Were we? If the absence of sin is complete union with God (the biggest reason why Jesus is God -- Jesus is without sin), then complete union with God indicates also a complete union of will.

Was Adam God before he sinned?
by your reasoning, Adam must have been God while he was sinless...and Eve too must have been God because she was also sinless for a time.

In what way does that connote "free will," as in a will that is completely particular to oneself?

I a person chooses to make Gods will their own will, they can do that. God invites us to do so...he wants to fulfill our purpose and the only way to do that is to enter into doing Gods will.

 

[beerisit]

Was Adam God before he sinned?
by your reasoning, Adam must have been God while he was sinless...and Eve too must have been God because she was also sinless for a time.



I a person chooses to make Gods will their own will, they can do that. God invites us to do so...he wants to fulfill our purpose and the only way to do that is to enter into doing Gods will.

You'd must have that perfected by now, haven't you? This no sin caper? How long have you been at it?