Enlighten me please? Questions about homosexuality.

[jeager106]

It seems to be that calling someone 'homophobic' has become a catchcry of anyone who does not 'support' homosexuality.

Its lost its meaning with regard to 'fear'... the term has become an insult rather then a word with any real meaning.

It seems almost fashionable to support gays and not supporting gays is almost evil.
Not almost, it IS fashionable to support the gay lifestyle just as it was 10 years ago
to support any popular person in drug and alcohol rehab.
Huh?
Such are the fashion trends in the free world.
Frankly I still don't give a rats patoot about a persons sex life.
None of my business.
None of the business of those from the land of Oz either.

 

[Skwim]

It seems almost fashionable to support gays and not supporting gays is almost evil.
Not almost, it IS fashionable to support the gay lifestyle just as it was 10 years ago
to support any popular person in drug and alcohol rehab.

Such are the fashion trends in the free world.

Never say Christians are incapable of hyperbole.

 

[Ingledsva]

Why is this question on a 'religious' discussion forum.

If you ask me I would say that all sexual activity outside marriage is immoral and damaging to society according to Abrahamic religious teaching.
In that case there must be some 'fault' genetically, psychologically or socially that has occurred to create homosexual desires.

We correct other genetic, social or psychological 'faults'. Why not sexual ones??

Abrahamic religions saying something - doesn't make it fact.

Even if it were a "genetic fault" there is no reason to "fix" them.

They themselves are not hurt, - and they hurt nobody else by loving someone of the same sex.

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[Ingledsva]

Researchers found male fish with female brains concluding too much estrogen in the water being a factor.
We do Not know all that is going on today.
As far as God hating gays, rather it is the sin of fornication that is wrong in God's eyes.
The English word fornication comes from the Greek word porneia.
Jesus did Not use the word adultery as scriptural grounds for divorce but fornication/porneia - Matthew 19:9
That is because porneia is more comprehensive in meaning than adultery.
Porneia would even include having sex with an animal as wrong.

Marriage as defined in Scripture is only between a man and a woman. - Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:4-6
Sex outside of scriptural marriage is considered as fornication.
So, God does Not hate gays, but that all people are to refrain from fornication.
We are nearing the soon coming ' time of separation ' of Matthew 25:31,32 before Jesus ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. That ' peace ' will mean mankind will gain the perfect health of having a sound heart, mind and body as God originally purposed for mankind starting in Eden before father Adam's downfall.

Gen 2:24 does not say anything about only heterosexual marriage! In fact they are just scr**ing - no marriage is mentioned at all. And just so you know, - the word "wife" is not in the verse.

Matt 19:4-6 does not say no Gay marriage either.

Jesus was asked a specific question about men putting away their women for any reason. His answer is therefore specific to men with women.

Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his woman for every cause?

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[seeking4truth]

They themselves are not hurt, - and they hurt nobody else by loving someone of the same sex.

It is debatable whether they are hurt or hurt others as according to believers there is more to life than just immediate pleasure and satisfaction.
If, as believers accept, the life on this earth is just a tiny part of an eternal life, for which we learn and develop skills and knowledge, then such immoral behaviour will have a damaging effect that will last longer than the 40 - 80 years of life here.

 

[SomeRandom]

Well you live in Oz which explains a lot of your obvious anti-American sentiments.
Never mind the U.S. saved your little island paradise from Japanese Imperialism.
A fact many of you want to forget.
But it's o.k. 'cause the rest of the world knows the facts.
You in Oz are experts on everything not concerning you directly.
Don't take that as a personal insult, just a fact of world history.
Thanks for the unneeded definitions. I really un-appreciate that.
The "friendly advice" wasn't at all warranted. ...Or requested.
And refrain from calling me "mate". We are not, in any respect of the word.

First of all I never said anything bad about America. My family is American. ****ing love America! I made a quip at people hypocritically boasting about freedom and then denouncing a choice. Aussie humour is merely a little insulting and vulgar. You'd do well to have a bit thicker skin, princess. I'd say the same to any one of my best friends. So don't think I'm attacking you.
Secondly, arrogance and boastfulness may explain your less than stellar reputation overseas. Every single time someone points something less than exemplary in the home of the Brave you guys bring up a war that happened generations ago. We were the ones who were defending our homeland by ourselves. A little thing called Kokoda. You lot were dragged kicking and screaming into the war, home of the brave. See? Not very nice to say such things, is it? Is it really necessary to turn this into a pissing match? Like seriously. Countries often help their allies in a time of war. It's usually implicitly agreed that said country doesn't use their doing of a duty like a spoilt toddler later on. You do your fellow level headed strong countrymen a disservice for even bringing it up like some medal you want other people to admire. Because all it does is make you look weak and insecure.
We Aussies just call it like we see it, mate. We pull no punches and we are honest. You're the one who asked, I obliged. Calm the hell down will you? Geez!

 

[jeager106]

First of all I never said anything bad about America. My family is American. ****ing love America! I m made a quip at people hypocritically boasting about freedom and then denouncing a choice. Aussie humour is merely a little insulting and vulgar. You'd do well to have a bit thicker skin, princess. I'd say the same to any one of my best friends. So don't think I'm attacking you.
Secondly, arrogance and boastfulness may explain your less than stellar reputation overseas. Every single time someone points something less than exemplary in the home of the Brave you guys bring up a war that happened generations ago. We were the ones who were defending our homeland by ourselves. A little thing called Kokoda. You lot were dragged kicking and screaming into the war, home of the brave. See? Not very nice to say such things, is it? Is it really necessary to turn this into a pissing match? Like seriously. Countries often help their allies in a time of war. It's usually implicitly agreed that said country doesn't use it like a spoilt toddler later on.
We Aussies just call it like we see it, mate. You're the one who asked, I obliged. Calm the hell down will you? Geez!

O.K. cupcake. I must have had a bad Oz moment.
Apologies.

 

[SomeRandom]

O.K. cupcake. I must have had a bad Oz moment.
Apologies.

I apologise too. It's late and I'm tired. I just have a tendency to be abrupt, but don't take everything I say to heart. I rarely truly mean what I say.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I should just leave this alone but I'm not going to. Just blame it on the devil.
Are homosexuals hardwired to be what they are?
If you have read my many other posts you've seen that I had friendships with gay men
and a few gay women.
I'm not inclined to act out sexually with a gay person. Fact is to me such a practice is
unappealing. ( I toned that down a bit)
That said why is it that many members here say another member is "homophobic" if a remark
is made that does not outright support gay people?
Phobia is a fear of.................but of what? A fear of gay people or a fear that the one holding
the fear is afraid they themselves might like a gay experience?
Could it be that deep rooted desire for a homosexual experience might lead to the disgusting
violence I've seen inflicted upon gay men?
Hummmm????????
So if I don't openly support the Rainbow movement am I homophobic?
Or perhaps I just don't give a fat rats patoot?
I really do not give a fat rats patoot. I've had gay friends, for all I know I might still have gay friends
that have not "come out". I have gay relatives, cousins in fact. At family reunions NO ONE says
anything bad to them. We treat them like our cousins for crying out loud!
I'll go ahead and confess that I have a grandson that is at least bi but I love him all the same.
Is that wrong? Hell no it ain't wrong.
Why would I not love my precious 19 year old grandson? What does SEX have a friggin' thing
to do with my love of my family.
If gays are hardwired would any "god" hate them for that????????
This recent SCOTUS ruling means almost nothing to me.
The world didn't stop going round now did it? This ruling does help same sex couples in many
legal ways. I doubt it has much emotional impact on two people who are loving partners anyway.
I am not anti-gay nor homophobic. Or a sexist.
I am, however curious. Thus the prime question about hardwired.

1) Having a token gay friend or group of gay friends...or even having a non-hetero family member....does not mean one is suddenly immune to deeply ingrained homophobia and biphobia in our culture. It's entirely plausible that one can say something motivated out of a desire to inform or to offer compassion and yet be layered in culturally conditioned prejudice. It's why there are still many LGBTQ people that carry internalized phobia and have to let go of to begin embracing who we are and who we are attracted to and love. People of color can still carry internalized racism. Women can internalize misogyny. It isn't an insult, though some people think it really is when it surfaces in passionate and emotional debates.

2) I have an interest in wondering why I'm attracted to both men and women, but not to see it as a diagnosis of some preventable or treatable disease (that's part of the phobia we carry, under a larger umbrella, of gender roles and sexuality as the Platonic philosophy of "perfect immutable forms", but that's another conversation). I'm curious just because I'm curious and like understanding myself and others better. Yet, for the sake of this thread, I can answer that as long as I've tried to pray, meditate, exercise, diet, dream, etc. out of my bisexuality....which was for decades....whenever I thought I had it solved I'd go out in the real world and suddenly a woman would sashay into the same space as me and that electricity would sizzle in and all around me yet again in the same way a man would. I'm convinced this orientation of mine is inherent. Ask a straight person to just try being not-straight for six months. Do everything they can not to notice a person of the opposite sex, and if they became aroused or attracted to someone of the opposite sex, to pray/meditate/snap-rubber-band-on-wrist/exercise/dream their orientation toward someone of the same sex. I promise you the results would be just as futile.

I hope that helps. Thank you so much for asking.

 

[JoStories]

I should just leave this alone but I'm not going to. Just blame it on the devil.
Are homosexuals hardwired to be what they are?
If you have read my many other posts you've seen that I had friendships with gay men
and a few gay women.
I'm not inclined to act out sexually with a gay person. Fact is to me such a practice is
unappealing. ( I toned that down a bit)
That said why is it that many members here say another member is "homophobic" if a remark
is made that does not outright support gay people?
Phobia is a fear of.................but of what? A fear of gay people or a fear that the one holding
the fear is afraid they themselves might like a gay experience?
Could it be that deep rooted desire for a homosexual experience might lead to the disgusting
violence I've seen inflicted upon gay men?
Hummmm????????
So if I don't openly support the Rainbow movement am I homophobic?
Or perhaps I just don't give a fat rats patoot?
I really do not give a fat rats patoot. I've had gay friends, for all I know I might still have gay friends
that have not "come out". I have gay relatives, cousins in fact. At family reunions NO ONE says
anything bad to them. We treat them like our cousins for crying out loud!
I'll go ahead and confess that I have a grandson that is at least bi but I love him all the same.
Is that wrong? Hell no it ain't wrong.
Why would I not love my precious 19 year old grandson? What does SEX have a friggin' thing
to do with my love of my family.
If gays are hardwired would any "god" hate them for that????????
This recent SCOTUS ruling means almost nothing to me.
The world didn't stop going round now did it? This ruling does help same sex couples in many
legal ways. I doubt it has much emotional impact on two people who are loving partners anyway.
I am not anti-gay nor homophobic. Or a sexist.
I am, however curious. Thus the prime question about hardwired.

IMO, yes it is hardwired. My father was Bisexual as am I. My two aunts were gay and one aunt has a gay son. There are quite a few gays in my family. Of course, I have a VERY big family so its statistically not a large percentage but it does speak to something genetic IMO.

 

[JoStories]

Well I'll be d@mned!
I got just what I'd hoped for. Good, concise and friendly, caring responses. (so far)
O.k. I "get it". Since I do have a beloved, handsome, wonderful grandson then this
ruling DOES have personal impact on me. Not to mention my now aging first cousins.
So perhaps the issue of "hard wiring" may not mean much, if anything.
I even got good info from Skwim.
I really liked the more complete definition of phobia. Not always a fear of but it obviously
can be downright evil!
I could never hate anyone based on sexual orientation or preference.
Frankly I just feel that sort of thing ain't none of my business.
I judge no one based on such a thing. Silly ain't it?

I am honestly perplexed why you would assume that folks can't be nice to you for asking a really good question. I try to be as kind as I can to everyone, even those who really get under my skin but your OP was, IMO, spoken from your heart and there is not one damn thing wrong with that. Answers to you should be polite, again IMO.

 

[Revoltingest]

IMO, yes it is hardwired. My father was Bisexual as am I. My two aunts were gay and one aunt has a gay son. There are quite a few gays in my family. Of course, I have a VERY big family so its statistically not a large percentage but it does speak to something genetic IMO.

Until that last sentence, I pictured ya'll sitting around singing show tunes!

 

[jeager106]

I apologise too. It's late and I'm tired. I just have a tendency to be abrupt, but don't take everything I say to heart. I rarely truly mean what I say.

Fantastic & thank you. Let's be buds now since we share some similar things.

 

[jeager106]

IMO, yes it is hardwired. My father was Bisexual as am I. My two aunts were gay and one aunt has a gay son. There are quite a few gays in my family. Of course, I have a VERY big family so its statistically not a large percentage but it does speak to something genetic IMO.

That's an honest response and thanks for the other kind comment.
I really appreciate you.

 

[Ingledsva]

It is debatable whether they are hurt or hurt others as according to believers there is more to life than just immediate pleasure and satisfaction.
If, as believers accept, the life on this earth is just a tiny part of an eternal life, for which we learn and develop skills and knowledge, then such immoral behaviour will have a damaging effect that will last longer than the 40 - 80 years of life here.

There is NO debate - they hurt no one by being together, or getting married.

You have only your opinion that it is immoral.

I do not believe it is immoral.

Nor do I believe the Bible says anything against homosexuals, - only Sacred Sex Idolatry.

And just for you folks, -

"A new study from the University of Colorado Denver finds that scientists agree that children of same-sex parents experience "no difference" on a range of social and behavioral outcomes compared to children of heterosexual or single parents."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615103946.htm

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[SomeRandom]

Fantastic & thank you. Let's be buds now since we share some similar things.

Okay

 

[JoStories]

That's an honest response and thanks for the other kind comment.
I really appreciate you.

You're welcome. I see no reason to be rude here. Its not in my nature, although I admit that at times, some issues do get under my skin. We're all a bit flawed after all!!

 

[JoStories]

Until that last sentence, I pictured ya'll sitting around singing show tunes!

LOL...not even close. Most of my family...hunters, fishermen and farmers, like country. We live in the woods up here.

 

[seeking4truth]

"A new study from the University of Colorado Denver finds that scientists agree that children of same-sex parents experience "no difference" on a range of social and behavioral outcomes compared to children of heterosexual or single parents."[/B]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150615103946.htm

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I wonder if they are the same 'scientists' who recommended smoking as a way of calming nerves and arranged for them to be supplied free to American servicemen when they went to Europe in the second world war.
Science by its nature is a developing process and scientists can only base their opinions on available evidence AND they select what evidence to examine.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

We are probably all hardwired to be what we are.
Homosexuals are no different.
Our wiring diagram seem to be slightly different, in some way, for everyone. That is what makes us all individuals and not clones.
If it was just software or firmware it might be possible to change things. But we are what they are.

I can't even imagine what it would be like to be other than a hetrosexual. I am sure Homosexuals feel exactly the same way about their sexuality.